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Post by dude on Nov 7, 2005 18:53:51 GMT -5
Eh... i'm suposed to be catholic, but i'm not religious =P I don't believe in any god. But i respect those who believe it.
PS: Oh, and before someone asks, i don't believe in satan either. =P
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Post by anjilfan on Nov 7, 2005 18:55:08 GMT -5
I AM Christain.But I don't believe in god either.
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Post by Moot on Nov 7, 2005 18:57:31 GMT -5
I'm noticing here that quite a few sigs are over the size limits
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Post by contention on Nov 7, 2005 19:05:33 GMT -5
If anyone has ever read my online journal. Finding out what religon I am is not to hard to find, and how I seem to stand out against it. I was born into a heavy Christian family, and my grandmother always attented church. It was a religous thing for her to do, every single Sunday. So for a set time, I was told to go to Sunday School every single Sunday until I reached the age of about ten. When we moved we slowly stopped going to church and I myself began to ponder the incidients of religon and the holy upper power.
As others have said, like Rex and Dragon; I am open minded and wide when it comes to the topic of religon. I believe that in some sense there is a higher power, but all the things in the bible are not exactly true. The seven deadly sins, such as Greed, Envy, Lust, Avraice, Wrath and so on are all part of human nature. A man can stop greed, a man can stop himself from envy; to end each one would cause yourself to not be human. If man was to not sin, then man would no longer be mortal.
The bible has been translated countless times, by countless monks; the words within it can change by what they believe in and the stories they have viewed. It still perplexes me as to why Pagan stories are so closely tied to our own stories. Maybe having to focus on morals they were used plainly to note certain incidents... but that would make the happenings untrue.
However things may have come to be shaped, either by a bang or by a hand; details over time are bound to have been lost. There might be a God, a heaven and a hell; yet we can not come to explain them. Man himself can not give God words, and is there a real way to know that what we hear is the word of God. Is murder right if we feel it is in the name of God? Does that mean every sin is right, if for the better? How do we know it's for the better?
These are my views, only a short few as I will put here, and that if I was to label myself a religon I would follow what Dragon has also said. Somewhat Christian somewhat Athiest: A very loosely bound Christian.
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Post by Yoshiken on Nov 7, 2005 19:05:51 GMT -5
some religious people stay away and have many detrimental thoughts about people who dont believe in God which, in my opinion, is wrong. Even tho I believe in God 110% and have a lot of spirituality, i still have Atheist friends. The only thing that bugs me is when people dont believe in God only because they cant see him, thats like saying "I dont believe in Botswana because I cant see it"
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Post by Teo on Nov 7, 2005 19:12:47 GMT -5
Do you have to see a Bear to know it's there? No, pretty much you don't know about it until the last second Oo...
I just had to slip that in.
Anyhow, I am not religious, or anyhow I tend to shift for some odd reason.
In old history, gods were the explenation for everything that could not be explained at the time (earthquakes, volcano's, violence in people...) but since we can prove that the other way today, there's really no way a god could be there.
On the other hand, I do sometimes get down and pray that a certain thing happens (like I draw a good card in a card game or something happen) but it really only makes you believe in yourself, or just luck.
On the other hand, I guess I do believe somewhat in destiny...is that religious at all?
So yeah, pretty much I'm mixed, believe getting down on my knees is going to help, sometimes I think wispering to the air is futile...I'm pretty mixed up between god, destiny, and nothing at all...
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Post by Gene L.D. Ryoko on Nov 7, 2005 20:33:07 GMT -5
I don't belive every thing I'm told,and I have friends who don't even belive in God. Thats fine with me,I would rather not be one of our ancestors(if your american) who take the Bible way to seriously. My RCIA teacher,says that not all stories are true as well,she calls the Bible,Basic Instuctions Before Leaving Earth. I do belive hell is eternal punishment. um... If this doesn't make sense,you can brick me
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Post by Brute on Nov 7, 2005 23:34:06 GMT -5
I have a question thats open for anyone (but yoshiken or anjil might know this one): Is there any real difference between the book of Mormon and the New or Old testament of the bible?? i'd kinda like to know??
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Post by Anjil on Nov 8, 2005 1:13:06 GMT -5
I have a question thats open for anyone (but yoshiken or anjil might know this one): Is there any real difference between the book of Mormon and the New or Old testament of the bible?? i'd kinda like to know?? Yoshiken can definitely explain all of this way better than me, but I'll take a stab at it. He can add to this later. XD The Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with the people of the ancient Americas and, like the Bible, contains the fulness of the gospel. The book was written by many ancient prophets on gold plates and were abridged by the prophet-historian Mormon (hence the name of the book). It gives an account of two great civilizations. One came to America from Jerusalem at about 600 B.C., which then seperated into two nations: the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other civilization came earlier during the time of the Tower of Babel, known as the Jaredites. These civilizations were all destroyed, except for the Lamanites, which came to be the principal ancestors of the Native Americans. The most important event in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after His resurrection. The Book of Mormon isn't supposed to be an alternative to the Bible, but a supplement.
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Post by Graedius on Nov 8, 2005 3:10:15 GMT -5
I was born into a Christian heavy family, but strayed as the throes of logic took hold of me... I now beleive in pretty much nothing. Nohing seems to make enough sense or have any tangible proof or evidence enough to make me a beleiver. Since there's so many religeous people here, I won't go into it... Even if there was a God that I beleived existed, and a religeon I knew or beleived to be true... I could never worship a God who would not respect me for who I am, judge me for the minorest of things... and if any of you know me, you know a great many ways... The only thing that bugs me is when people dont believe in God only because they cant see him, thats like saying "I dont believe in Botswana because I cant see it" Thats not fair to say. These people can find tangible, real, emperical proof that Botswana exists, with little effort, and proof that is guaranteed to the point that there's no way you can deny it. Unfortunately, no one can for 100% guaranteed find any shred of truth that is guaranteed evidence of any religeon, no matter what they beleive. I really, really worry....
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Post by Dragon on Nov 8, 2005 8:49:19 GMT -5
You do have a point there, but there is one religion (I think) that has actual proof, Buddhism. It was started with a man called Buddha (I think), and he taught his beliefs to people, which (I think) is how the religion started. I dunno, just my opinion.
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Post by Lazo on Nov 8, 2005 8:59:11 GMT -5
While Buddhism may have been started by a real person, the ideas of spirituality and finding Nirvana cannot be shown. The ideas of living the "right" way with the eightfold path are vague, at best.
Treat your ideas as hypothesis to be tested rather than obvious truths. God and spirits cannot be tested for in the natural world. If there were tangible, supporting details, then it wouldn't be a matter of faith.
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Post by anjilfan on Nov 8, 2005 13:50:47 GMT -5
Hmm.............well............Good point.
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Post by yoshicreator on Nov 8, 2005 16:28:26 GMT -5
Catholic and Christian.
~*YC*~
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Post by Yoshiken on Nov 8, 2005 20:31:19 GMT -5
Angela explained a whole bunch o' the Book of Mormon. I shall continue where she left off ^_^
It brings forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines and puts in detail the plan of Salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come. After Mormon finished his editing and writings, he passed on the plates to his son Moroni, who added a few principles and words of his own and hid up the plates in Hill Cumorah at around 421 A.D. The apostasy arrived, in which the True Church of Christ was gone from the Earth for many years.
This is why we do Baptisms for the dead in which people who have died without knowledge of the True Church in the Apostasy are able to be taught in Heaven and have the chance to accept the gospel there or not.
about 1400 years later, Joseph Smith came into the world. As he grew he questioned what Church is true. He thought that there were too many Churches, and they all taught the same thing. He read James 1:5 in the Bible that same night which stated "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
He prayed that night and asked God with full faith at which what Church was true, the next day He ventured off to a Grove near his Cabin and started to pray again. A light descended upon him, and in the midst of him stood two beings that introduced themselves as God and his only begotten son, Jesus Christ. He was speechless and amazed. He eventually asked them which of the Churches were true, they told him that none of them were true and that, even tho they speak and teach doctrines which are of God, they have corrupted themselves and have lost many sacred principles of the Gospel.
some night after that, An angel visited Joseph Smith, and revealed himself to be angel Moroni. He directed to Joseph Smith the destination of the Plates of the olden-day Prophets and to restore Gods true Church upon the Earth once again. The plates were in an unknown language and no scholar could translate them. Joseph Smith was able to translate by The power and the gifts of God. The Church had finally been restored again. I will explain upon this later ^_^ unless Angela wants too XD.
The Mormon Church has many different beliefs than other Churches which I will explain more at some other time but my Mom wants the computer back! I prayed to know if the Church is true and i have felt that it is. I suggest to you to read the Book of Mormon and to also pray about the True Church with full Faith in Christ.
I believe with a fulness in Christ that I am part of Christs Church and that I am blessed with the restored Gospel upon our days.
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Post by anjilfan on Nov 8, 2005 20:34:54 GMT -5
WOW!Took me 2 min to read that thing!Lol.I'm just a Christian who dosn't believe in god (what you are reading right now confuses me too).
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Post by Yoshifrog on Nov 8, 2005 20:36:53 GMT -5
Lol, thanks for a good chunk of Mormon knoledge Yoshiken *stores in brain*
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Post by Enrique on Nov 8, 2005 21:16:57 GMT -5
Interesting, Yoshiken.
I believe in God and everything related to my belief; I just don't go to church very often, maybe once or twice a year, at Christmas (if it isn't too crowded) and maybe at Easter.
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Post by CoralYoshi on Nov 8, 2005 22:57:45 GMT -5
Ahh, hopefully my beliefs don't offend. XD; I've read many others follow an agnostic or athiest viewpoint, though, so hopefully not.
I don't have a set religion. I was raised Catholic, but as I grew older, I began realising how corrupt the church was. I stopped believing in a god because I realised that he never seemed to care about anything if he was real. I used to believe with all of my heart that God existed. I prayed every night, I went to Sunday school and church often... heck, I was even a very dedicated altar server. But after you've been sexually abused, treated horribly by your peers, and lost everything in life you stop believing it. I don't believe in any higher, caring power, because I realised that even if he was real, he obviously didn't care about me.
A bit depressing, I know, but that explains why I don't believe in him. ^_^; Not looking for pity, and I don't want to hear the whole "God is just testing you" thing, because I hear that too much, and I know too many people with lives that have nothing wrong happen to them.
On to my other beliefs, though! I believe in a reincarnation and spirits. I believe in totem animals, as well, which is a part of that to me. I believe everything, including the earth, has a "soul", which is what I call the energy that makes all of us run. I think all animals and plants and even the planets are equal. And yes, this includes us since we are animals. I think that when we die, our energy lives on as a spirit, which can have the power to move on to a new life, or stay seperated and be what we call ghosts. My belief on totems is that they are guiding spirits to our body, often being what we were before this life. In my case, my totem animals are Coyote and Coral (not the water stuff, the actual raptor character). Although I draw Coral all pink and cutesie, the totem spirit that I'm refering to appears much differently to me in my mind. XD; I just kind of cartooned her and gave her bright colors. Because my character is based off of my totem, I try not to do something I feel would belittle her, like how some people would draw their characters nude or in intercourse. ^_^; I always feel weird explaining that to people, lol, I just want to make sure that my totems are respected, since they are representations of myself. You can't be happy in life unless you respect yourself, and you can't be happy unless you respect the one(s) that you believe guide you. And yes, if you're curious, I do have more than those two totems. Most people have 6 totems total, according to Shamanism, but I've only come to know four of mine. I see them quite often, too - a Hawk will follow me when I walk through the desert, a Coyote will walk in front of me and stop for a second to stare at me, and when I draw I feel a real connection to Coral. As for Feline, I have had many wonderful close encounters with wild and semi-domesticated cats, such as a tiger in a zoo or a frightened tame bobcat.
Too much description? XD Or not enough? I know that totems tend to be something people are very confused on, I can always provide links to Shaman websites if anyone's curious about it. And no, I don't believe in a satan, either ^_^; I've had a few people tell me my totems are just satan working his ways on me, but I just tell them that my totems are my guardian angels and nothing else. Doesn't mean I need to believe in a god.
Oh, and that's a wonderful description, Yoshiken and Anjil! I've been meaning to read the Book of Mormon for some time, it sounds really interesting.
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Post by CoralYoshi on Nov 8, 2005 23:41:23 GMT -5
*looks at the loooooooong posts above* ;;; I'm a Free Methodist Christian. Theeeeeeeeee end! *sleeps* I wish my beliefs could be put under a few words XD No one ever knows what totems are, though ._. A shame, really.
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