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Post by Yoshiken on Jan 27, 2006 19:29:28 GMT -5
oh really BathroomRage? please explain, ive never been told that.
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Post by Yoshi Master! on Jan 27, 2006 20:10:21 GMT -5
The hero comes in at the last second so I'll just wait it out.
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Post by Not-Garr on Jan 28, 2006 0:40:12 GMT -5
Yeah, from what my Dad's said about it (we discussed the topic of suicide, he was worried because I'm having rough times in school, and I've been spending a lot of time in my room), he's heard the church takes a neutral stand on the sin of suicide, since no one can really tell what is going through the person's head except that person and Heavenly Father. So it is ultimately circumstantial, or something like that. I assume situations like this, where it would be self-sacrifice, would be such a circumstance as to not be a sin... Not sure though. ^^;
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Post by Strangie on Jan 28, 2006 2:15:13 GMT -5
Heh. Well this changes things. LEVEL UP ! ! This isn't exactly an answer to the question, but this is what I would do. Me and my friend would go and tag team the person trying to trap us before he traps us, bust 5 upside his lip, then run off and save humanity because we're just totally freakin' AWESOME like that.
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Post by Graedius on Jan 28, 2006 16:12:54 GMT -5
Well, since suicide and homicide are both terrible sins, I'd do neither. Well, y'know what... a sin is a sin is a sin. If I step on a spider or kill a man, it's all the same to God. And y'know, if I'm forced into doing one or the other, suicide or homicide, I think God in all of his omniscience and omnipotence, and entirely wholly-forgiving nature, as endlessly-loving and kind as he is supposed to be, will forgive your wretched mortal soul for doing something you had to for the sake of others, that you were forced into. You think God would punish you in hell forever, if you killed a mass-murderer threatening the lives of countless others, or yourself? There has to be limits on these things -- If in all of his Omniscience and ultimate forgiving love he did not excuse your soul for doing it in either self-defense or for the sakes of countless others, particularily if forced, then he's not the God he says he is... As well, what if you will face a horrid, horrid fate unless you off yourself sooner -- what if there's terorists holding you hostage, and will torture you in the most horrible manners to your slow and inevitable death in which every second of continued life is agony beyond measure? What if you have a chance to off yourself before they get a chance? Do you really think God, as loving and kind and forgiving as he is, would really punish you forever in hell, because you used your one chance to save yourself from the worst mortal thing imaginable? If he does, then he's really not all that loving or forgiving, is he. Not a God worthy of my worship. Because according to many religeons, I'm damned to hell already. I beleive mormon is one of them. |
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Post by Lazo on Jan 28, 2006 16:26:27 GMT -5
Well, y'know what... a sin is a sin is a sin. If I step on a spider or kill a man, it's all the same to God. And y'know, if I'm forced into doing one or the other, suicide or homicide, I think God in all of his omniscience and omnipotence, and entirely wholly-forgiving nature, as endlessly-loving and kind as he is supposed to be, will forgive your wretched mortal soul for doing something you had to for the sake of others, that you were forced into. You think God would punish you in hell forever, if you killed a mass-murderer threatening the lives of countless others, or yourself? There has to be limits on these things -- If in all of his Omniscience and ultimate forgiving love he did not excuse your soul for doing it in either self-defense or for the sakes of countless others, particularily if forced, then he's not the God he says he is... As well, what if you will face a horrid, horrid fate unless you off yourself sooner -- what if there's terorists holding you hostage, and will torture you in the most horrible manners to your slow and inevitable death in which every second of continued life is agony beyond measure? What if you have a chance to off yourself before they get a chance? Do you really think God, as loving and kind and forgiving as he is, would really punish you forever in hell, because you used your one chance to save yourself from the worst mortal thing imaginable? If he does, then he's really not all that loving or forgiving, is he. Not a God worthy of my worship. Because according to many religeons, I'm damned to hell already. I beleive mormon is one of them. I always thought that if a god wanted to go out of its way to banish someone because of the listed situations, it would communicate something similar to "Well you were in a bad situation and really had no choice, but... you were the one who made the decisions that lead you there first. I banish thee! In yo face, human soul! IN! YO! FACE! Next." |
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Post by Graedius on Jan 28, 2006 17:53:24 GMT -5
I always thought that if a god wanted to go out of its way to banish someone because of the listed situations, it would communicate something similar to "Well you were in a bad situation and really had no choice, but... you were the one who made the decisions that lead you there first. I banish thee! In yo face, human soul! IN! YO! FACE! Next."Yes, full of endless forgiving and love... |
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Post by Lazo on Jan 28, 2006 18:15:10 GMT -5
Well there's gotta be a way for 'em to get their mortal leaders to meet quotas. Ambiguity is a very effective strategy, especially when so much could possibly be at stake in the individual's perception.
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Post by Shoe on Jan 28, 2006 19:37:43 GMT -5
I would not kill either of us because its simply not moral ^_^, I would pray and trust God to the situation. Hmm...yeah yeah. I think that just about covers it.  Who cares? No offence. We'd go to heaven anyway...unless you know...you didn't believe. |
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Post by Yoshiken on Jan 28, 2006 23:07:49 GMT -5
wo wo wo Graedius, I didnt say anything about killing automatically getting you a free get-sent-to-hell card. I believe that, in that situation, praying to God would be my first priority, and then if it came to the point where killing myself would be the only way out to save the world, I would do it. God is merciful and compassionate, and I believe that he would be forgiving. In the Book of Mormon, the Lord commanded Nephi to slay King Laban because he would of destroyed Jerusalem.
and no, Mormons never question an individuals position in going to hell or not because there are many ways to repentance ^^.
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Post by Graedius on Jan 28, 2006 23:45:25 GMT -5
However 3:33 AM is the Demonic Witching Hour.
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Post by Lazo on Jan 29, 2006 0:58:58 GMT -5
...All in hypothesis, of course.
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Post by Not-Garr on Jan 29, 2006 1:17:51 GMT -5
TV does not = truth.
And Yoshiken, you got your story wrong, LEVEL UP ! ! God commanded Nephi to kill Laban so he could take his clothes, and act like him to get the genealogy of his people, after the guy stole all their gold and silver and property, and sent men to kill 'em.
And I repeat. TV does NOT = Truth.
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Post by Not-Garr on Jan 29, 2006 1:38:22 GMT -5
I'm hinting at the chances of that being true are roughly 50%, seeing as TV isn't too reliable for factual information.
Wether you believe in that kind of thing, is all opinion, as it cannot be proved 100% right or wrong.
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Post by starshooter on Jan 29, 2006 1:50:03 GMT -5
i'm sorry 2 brother u guys i just need help posting things and what to plz help me u guys....
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Post by starshooter on Jan 29, 2006 2:00:25 GMT -5
posting things making a picture for myself instead of showing a folder
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Post by Graedius on Jan 29, 2006 3:49:55 GMT -5
Are you saying there is no such thing as ghosts. I'm not a part of this conversation, but yes, that's what I'm saying. |
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Post by auggieyoshi on Jan 29, 2006 16:08:17 GMT -5
i am very thankful for your help but the last 10 posts were completely a waste and yes i'm talking to you YC  |
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Post by Not-Garr on Jan 29, 2006 16:14:56 GMT -5
Wow, jerkmuch? Now the past 11 posts were a complete waste of time because you feel like being somewhat of a jerk, yais?
And wasn't the topic of this conversation about wether you would kill yourself or your friend in that situation?
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Post by Lazo on Jan 29, 2006 16:22:02 GMT -5
Now would be a good time to slow down.
While this thread may be used as information to assisst you in your book, this is more than just an avenue to collect data. It's a discussion. It shows a logical progression from the act you described to the impact some people's beliefs have on it, then to the basis of those beliefs. They are not wastes.
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