Just a small thing to say.

[Koshizu]

Apparently, people think I left because of a supposed...'argument' in one of my art threads. Whoever thinks that must be some kind of moron, because there never WAS and argument in my art thread. Wanna know why I left? Because of the crippling pain of having to listen and see perfectly good threads become hijacked with total irrelevance to whatever it was about in the first place. Not only that, but I had become sick of the general attitude around here. NOONE has the guts to say whats on their mind, always sugar-coating the truth about things. On just about EVERYTHING. I'll bet if you read any thread which hints anything even remotely controversial, you'll get either a 'I'm on noones side' situation, or a 'Quick quick! Lets solve this in as little time as possible!' type thing. I mean, I know conflict isn't a good thing necessarily, but this just went too far. People were so afraid of it, it became a joke. I think only me and a select few others actually stood up some things to say 'No, thats not right. I think this...'

And another thing while I'm here. People saying I was modest about my art and all. The only reason I even put it up was so that people didn't have a bloody go at me if I didn't. I do think my art is terrible, and thankfully you won't have to experience it anymore. Don't even bother having a go at me, because I won't listen to such messages. I have been driven beyond my limits. Constant provoking of topic-twisting on art threads made me feel sick. I mean, I don't think I'm worthy enough to be branded an 'artist' as such, but I thought the whole point of posting art was to recieve comments and criticism. Not for it to turn into some sordid little role-playing session.

And Shika, you think I have an attitude now? You haven't even seen me get angry yet.

To be honest, I thought I would have survived longer than this. I guess my tolerance levels have a limit somewhere. Fortunately, people found it fun testing them. All I have left to say, is I hope you're happy. Its always comforting to know some find pleasure in other people's pain.

If this message doesn't comply with the rules, then I'm sorry. Feel free to delete it. I really couldn't care less at this point in time.

Two cents. Done.

~ Koshi

[Mailtroid]

I am not trying to bring you back..its ok Josie. Well...everyone will miss your art and thoughtful posts around here...I know this for sure. But if you really feel that uncomfortable...

And sorry for posting this crap lately, I am most probably one of the peeps who made you leave...I know I can be really immature sometimes. But who isnt immature sometimes? You know I'll be with you whatever you do...its your decision...not mine.

So..the only thing left to say is...


Goodbye Koshizing Artist! And you ARE an artist! Everyone will miss you!

[Yoshiken]

well...i have no idea what to say at this point in time, but i will miss you koshi...i know we didnt really communicate between eachother much but you were one of my favorite people on this board...so farewell friend, your great works shall not be forgotten

[Moot]

Wow, that sucks

Well, I'd hate to see you leave, and good luck with whatever else you do.

...I suck at these

[teh yoshi]

What...

the...

f*ck??

Hey, don't think we're annoying or some of the sort! I think you're the one being easily annoyed here. Nobody else has beef but you.
You know what? Setoshi and Nightcroshi left the scene silently, and I kind of admire that if Yoshi just doesn't seem so appealing anymore and there's nowhere else to go but out. But complaining your ass off before you leave? That's just very base and rude if you ask me. Why didn't you at least DO something about it before rather than let this problem run on to your boiling point? At least make suggestions here and there, and people will understand gradually. You'll be surprised... but I guess that won't happen anymore, huh?

HOWEVER, this won't change the fact that I'll still miss you.

[Yoshata]

Ohmigosh...this was so sudden...

Awww, I'm not stopping you from leaving, but I REALLY liked your art and I liked your cheery personality. I'm sorry you didn't like how we acted here at the boards.

Well...goodbye and have a good life. But please, don't stop making art.

[Fifth]

Hmm...
Okay, first of all, I can understand your annoyance with thread hijacking and off-topic-ness. It can reach ridiculous levels, as we have seen, but I don't think there's anything I can say about it.

I think I can see where you're coming from on the attitude issue... I guess it's not in the nature of a Yoshi fan to really be critical. It's just part of the ideals that come with the character.
I know, though, how easy it can be to become dubious of comments, of what can seem no more than empty words... How hollow such generic encouragement can seem when you can't even believe in its sincerity...
But if you let such a dismissive attitude take over, it becomes impossible to differentiate, to accept even the slightest positive feedback on your work, regardless of sincerity. It's all too easy to fall into doubt and paranoia, to where even you cannot accept your own work.

I don't know, Koshi, whether you truly think so little of your own artistic abilities... or whether you take a critical stance against yourself only because it seems no one else dares do so.
You are being deceived, but only by yourself.
Trust me, it is one of the worst things to lose faith in yourself. It may sound cheesy, but it's true. If you can't believe in yourself, it will become impossible to believe what others have to say, even those who truly care about you...


Please know Koshizu, that I have always, in all sincerity, respected you, your art, and your style.

...

I don't want to see you leave, but if this place isn't giving you what you need... then I don't think there's anything I can say to make you stay.
You will be missed, believe me.

[teh yoshi]

Dagnabbit, Fifth ALWAYS has the perfect things to say! I whole heartedly agree with everything he just said. Honestly, I do.

But don't think I've quickly read his post and just said, "Yeah, it's good. Yeah..." I was just too annoyed by your post first when I wrote mine, so I came from an exasperated point of view. But I still agree with what Fifth just said.

You WILL be missed. I DO think you're a crazy-arse talented artist. I mean, there's a bloody reason why you're not getting much constructive criticism. I just think you're THAT talented. There's nothing to complain about. Well, if you want me to be 100% honest, I don't like humanoid Yoshis. But that's it! That's all. I can't complain about the quality of the art whatsoever. All the stuff you've made is fecking amazing. So quit your bickering about the other mindless children going off topic. We just can't STOP it all and strip away whatever they think is fun. Like I said, don't expect it to be so sudden. If you've done something about it a while ago, like setting them back on track or giving advice/suggestions, things could've gradually turned to your favor. Who knows...

[Dragon]

I'm sorry if I annoyed you, I'm not sure if I ever did or not. But, even though we don't know each other, I'll miss you. You're a cool person with a good skill. I just hope you're succesful in whatever it is you choose to do. You're welcome to stay at the boards, but you may do what you choose is best, I don't want to be an annoyance. Anyway, what I'm saying is, sorry for any annoyance, I never meant to if I did. And I hope that we can see you around.

[Digi]

aww thats too bad,but even if you stop drawing something will draw you back. believe me something will bring you back. Like old games XD well years later after you stopped playing you want to play again! i might just be me XD.
if i got you mad sorry...i hope i didn't cause this.

[Shika]

Koshizu said:

Apparently, people think I left because of a supposed...'argument' in one of my art threads. Whoever thinks that must be some kind of moron, because there never WAS and argument in my art thread. Wanna know why I left? Because of the crippling pain of having to listen and see perfectly good threads become hijacked with total irrelevance to whatever it was about in the first place. Not only that, but I had become sick of the general attitude around here. NOONE has the guts to say whats on their mind, always sugar-coating the truth about things. On just about EVERYTHING. I'll bet if you read any thread which hints anything even remotely controversial, you'll get either a 'I'm on noones side' situation, or a 'Quick quick! Lets solve this in as little time as possible!' type thing. I mean, I know conflict isn't a good thing necessarily, but this just went too far. People were so afraid of it, it became a joke. I think only me and a select few others actually stood up some things to say 'No, thats not right. I think this...'

And another thing while I'm here. People saying I was modest about my art and all. The only reason I even put it up was so that people didn't have a bloody go at me if I didn't. I do think my art is terrible, and thankfully you won't have to experience it anymore. Don't even bother having a go at me, because I won't listen to such messages. I have been driven beyond my limits. Constant provoking of topic-twisting on art threads made me feel sick. I mean, I don't think I'm worthy enough to be branded an 'artist' as such, but I thought the whole point of posting art was to recieve comments and criticism. Not for it to turn into some sordid little role-playing session.

And Shika, you think I have an attitude now? You haven't even seen me get angry yet.

To be honest, I thought I would have survived longer than this. I guess my tolerance levels have a limit somewhere. Fortunately, people found it fun testing them. All I have left to say, is I hope you're happy. Its always comforting to know some find pleasure in other people's pain.

If this message doesn't comply with the rules, then I'm sorry. Feel free to delete it. I really couldn't care less at this point in time.

Two cents. Done.

~ Koshi

You haven't seen me angry, girl. But let's not talk about that.

You are complaining about 'one' little RP going-on in your thread?
And you say that you ain't getting angry? You do seem to get frustrated rather easily.

I only spit at artists that doesn't improve and continues to drawing badly detailed pictures without taking the time or details into consideration.
I don't care much about quantity, it's quality that I prefer.
Criticism might do wonders on people that doesn't see the need to improve. And criticism may encourage them to improve.


If you want to leave, that's your choice. No one is going to stop you.
So bye bye.

[Soul]

NOONE has the guts to say whats on their mind, always sugar-coating the truth about things. On just about EVERYTHING. I'll bet if you read any thread which hints anything even remotely controversial, you'll get either a 'I'm on noones side' situation, or a 'Quick quick! Lets solve this in as little time as possible!' type thing.

You just read my mind there. And it's really annoying to see that a lot of the users around here see me as the "mean guy" just because I'm willing to discuss such things. And it's also annoying to see that almost nobody sides with their supposed "friends" in an argument...

I had become sick of the general attitude around here

I already left once for the same reason, only to come back... But I think I learned to ignore the stuff that I didn't like, which is why I'm still here. But I only come here for a short while, once every 1-2 days. If I were here any longer, I'd go insane...

NOONE has the guts to say whats on their mind, always sugar-coating the truth about things. On just about EVERYTHING

I don't know if you also consider my own replies to your art posts as sugar-coating, but let me tell you that I wrote them with all sincerity. I don't like sugar, and I avoid it as much as possible. I would never reply to your art threads if I didn't like them. (but do note that I don't have time to reply to all of them either...).

Of course I will miss you. Hopefully we can keep in touch via email, although that will be very difficult for me to keep up with as I rarely have available time for that (I usually reply during long holidays or vacation time).

I do think my art is terrible, and thankfully you won't have to experience it anymore.

It all depends on what you're comparing it with. I bet you regularly see other people's work at sites like deviant art and such. But you shouldn't compare your art like that. I mean, art is supposed to be made "for art's sake"; Meaning, art is a way to express your emotions, your feelings, your dreams. When it turns into an "I want to be able to make the most kick-ass drawings" obsession, then the whole concept of "art" is lost... And you know what? I can easily differentiate between art intended to "kick ass" and "real" art. The former is always focused on impressing the viewer by using what the artist thinks is what people like best, such as adding excessive typical anime cues for example (far more cues added to the image than needed to communicate its message). Such works lack uniqueness. Deviant art is PLAGUED with such things. But the latter (real art) is always unique among all other artwork and does carry a unique meaning with it. The other has no meaning other than "hey! look what I can do!"... Although I would like to note that most artwork out there has a mix of both things, usually more of one than the other. Whenever I draw, most often I do it to communicate things that I would rather not communicate with words (what I feel are deep emotions).

I mean, I don't think I'm worthy enough to be branded an 'artist' as such

I never call myself an "artist" either. I don't like boastful titles, seriously. Those who do use such titles rank very low on my "respected people" list.

I thought the whole point of posting art was to recieve comments and criticism. Not for it to turn into some sordid little role-playing session.

Exactly what kind of criticism were you looking for? It's hard for me to tell, because I don't know what your goals are.

All I have left to say, is I hope you're happy. Its always comforting to know some find pleasure in other people's pain.

I assure you none of the people here did what they did knowing they were causing you pain. They are not able to tell what annoys you. I know because that's what I've found out in my case. People offend me and don't even realize it. Naturally, I don't enjoy being around other people.

And I'm sure people also do the same with you (offend or annoy you without ever noticing it). Example:

Teh Yoshi wrote: "Hey, don't think we're annoying or some of the sort! I think you're the one being easily annoyed here. Nobody else has beef but you."

He's just comparing what you wrote with how he would feel if he were in your same situation. But he obviously has no idea about how you feel. He will have to learn that there are people that are much more sensitive than him, and you will learn (as I did) that other people don't really notice the damage they do with their words because they are much less sensitive.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you do! *hugs*

[joshi]

Well, I guess everything that has been said here is pretty much all that can be said, since Teh Yoshi, Fifth, and Soul were pretty specific. So I'll just have to say, goodbye Koshi.

Oh and I agree with Soul, people don't intend to annoy you, but if they do, they don't realize it. I mean, everyone was confused when you posted the random "shut up" post without much of a reason why. We later learned that you posted that because you were annoyed.

It's a message board, everything is not going to go as you plan, you're not going to hear what you always want to hear. You'll have to deal with it, there are other people who have things on their mind, you're not the only person that matters here, it's the whole board in total that matters, not a single member. In fact, all message boards are like that, look all over the Internet all you want but you aren't going to find the board of your dreams. So, that's that.

Oh and since it is criticism that you want, then I suggest you improve on your attitude. When you learn to deal with the things you don't like, then you'd probably be better off in the real world. Take care, Koshi.

[Yoshi9]

Koshizu, I'm sorry to see you leave too. We really didn't get a chance to know eachother, but you were one of those people who had been here for awhile. Good luck with what you do in life, and where you go. YC is open if you ever want to come back. All else to say now is I guess, goodbye. You will be missed, and I like your art work, it is a new style, and nice. Too bad you wont finish your fanfic, I was really looking forward to that. Bye Koshizu.


and please if you read this, take the other members words in good meaning. We don't know how badly this upsets you, only you do. So if someone says something that gets on your nerves, just understand perhaps they don't feel the same, and can;t understand exactly how you do feel. I don't think you'll be back to read this, but if you do come back, like I said, YC is open.

[Toshi]

I know you don't know me and I don't know you, but it is quite sad to hear that, i know what is going through your mind at the moment, so i shall say this:

don't forget what you are, an artist, and yes you are, a great artist, nobody can take that away from you, you have done some fantastic work, so Koshi, from someone who doesn't know you, i wish you all the best in whatever you now decide to do! Sorry it ended in this way!

[Rainbow Yoshi]

Everything has been said that needs to be said so all i can say is goodbye, Koshi. I'll miss you..

[RogueYoshi]

i didnt know you but i will seriously miss you i hope you never lose your Yoshi Spirit may the power of Yoshi be with you

[Graedius]

teh said:

Nobody else has beef but you.

You don't know me very well, then.

I fully agree with everything you posted, lass. Saying you even see this. I don't mind a little off-topicness here and there, so long as the main topic is saved... but totally diverting a topic or particularily an argument *coughJoshiTehcough*is annoying as hell.

[teh yoshi]

Heh, I also have a small thing to say.
Koshi and I are on good terms, so pretty much anything I said before is now void since we both laughed it off over a nice chat on MSN .

[joshi]

teh said:

Heh, I also have a small thing to say.
Koshi and I are on good terms, so pretty much anything I said before is now void since we both laughed it off over a nice chat on MSN .

That was a fast change of mind.