An Online Evolution

[contention]

This question seems to be something merely of pure wonder and thought, of course anything you say feel free to at all will. Such is made up of a few factors. These being based on the Next-Gen consoles we hear so much about. Each of them, in their own way, seem to be adjusting themselves into an online type of era. So far one is out and about, that being the Xbox 360. Since back when, it has dwelled in the essence of an online mode. As every system has in its own way, however what comes to mind is something out there. One wonders what you all feel about the growth of online neccessities in these turning days. Do you see them as good additions, little gold badges that finish off the final suit. Or is it something that makes you lower your head in some sort of unfit fashion. What is it that you feel about these new movements. If so, you might be one who has played games online through the computer. If this comes to be, then you likely understand more about it. With these new additions to the consoles we all have played so dearly there are changes on the heels.

With the Nintendo Wii coming on arrival, there have been rumors of it's game service. Something that has trully pumped up it's take on what a console turns out to be. However, this is something that is still alien. If you know something heavy, do share for such things are very mysterious. One wonders if the Wii will have communication through their systems. If it as well will offer some type of push up in the take of what games have to give in our days. Yet, such is another question, for if it is released, will it have a system to hold it in place. The Xbox has had a live mode for quite some time. A few may know how it exist with the system. Offering certain things such as friend lists and microphone chat abilities. Of course, you have to have a good connection to get this to go. It's about fifty dollars for one month. So, if this is the competition, will Nintendo try to up it with something even better? If you know anything about the Nintendo and what it plans with the Online additions, share all you can if you wish. Yet at this time it seems like something unknown for the moments.

The Ps3 is a total diffrent story. Rumors persist that the system will not have a unified connection. If it does, it will be by your own power. So far that is a gutsy move, even for Sony. If the others do it, they usually fall right into the program. With this hold over it, maybe they plan something for the past. Yet with the addition of powerful gameplay they may infact not certainly need it. So, all of this boils down to how the online sections in total will compare to each other. Which you feel will do better, and which in the truest sense has a try which means something. Of course, it all goes toward you the consumer. So, if you could give anything for something in online mode, what would it be? Meaning, if you could have any addition, what would you wish for. What do you think would be a good idea for the world of an online system. Do you believe in heavy unification throughout the friends, something that can keep the players together. As well as communication, or do you see something deeper in it. Share what you feel, and say what comes to mind. Your opinion would mean more than anything to hear.

[Graedius]

Yes, I think online gameplay becomes more and more important wih each passing day, as more people have access to the internet such such. A human opponent is way beyond anything like that of a CPU cpponent, who's always the same and predictable beyond a certain point. Online, you can play game with countless people, form your own strategies, have a time like you could never with a single-player game -- that, and online, your progress actually matters sinceother people can see it, you can base where you are -- in offline games, it's really irrelevant what you suceed at doing or attain. No one knows, no one cares, hahah.

And generally with online games you can customize your own playable avatar, something I find crucial and a nessesity. I just wish that there could be a bit more quality control in the players, hahah... not so many retarded noobs... that and, in the case of MMORPGs, some actual roleplaying...

I've yet to really get into online gaming. I'm not sure why (could have something to do with me having the world's crappiest computer chair, which really hurts my back). I usually just spend my online time floating between different forums. I guess I'm just more of a console gamer, but I'm sure that will all change when I obtain SSBB ;D

[Graedius]

I'm sure online SSBB will suck, just like online Mario Kart. There'll probably be no chat function, and there'll be losers who devote their whole life to it and exploit unforseen glitches/tricks to be beyond the best, to the point where playing doesn't matter anymore. And since the Wii's capabilities are only 512 megabytes of flash memory, it's not like you'd be able to download updates or patches to fix and unforseen glitches or exploits that these people could use -- no way to allow for gameplay balancing. So once it's one-sided, it'll be that way forever.

I really doubt I'll play it much online.
Mostly offline with friends, for all those reasons above.

[contention]

That's what has been wondered lately. The future of SSBM that is, you know. With this whole take on the online mood, the future seems bleak. It was supposed to be the knight in shining armor for the system. As you said though it will likely protrude into the realm of single player well-being. If the memory on the Wii is that small, you're right, the function of having a type of "playable" atmosphere for the game seems very dim. For things to work right you need the occasional patches and fix-ups for all materials. When going on the essence of those around in these online settings, you do not miss your mark. You entirely show the truth of what is. When someone feels as if they can't win at something, they exploit all it's weaknesses. Making the experience worse for those who wish to play and have some form of fun. Then you'll have others who grant their whole existence on one machine, never leaving, making an enjoyable area something very rare to come upon. Without a chat function in the Wii, as mentioned, there can't be much to offer. Of course, one might mention sometime that chatting is not neccessary. No, while it is not it is like the dip on the cone, or the tip to the skyscraper. It's that cover, which makes it a certain core of beauty, eloquence, and something worth sight and take.

Since the Wii is coming into play, it makes a question appear if they will have a service in which you register with one name. From that time, may they have friends list and information regarding your play skills? Or will it be something shorter, something more like the DS in which you merely go off a seprate game for each bit of take. Hopefully over time it will improve, and like most systems it will likely grant any chance that it can find. As for the other systems, such as the Ps3, what will become of it? It's another empty spot, of course it has been since it's gone under so many enhancments. Will the price of service only add more to the already demanding number? If so, what would they give that would be diffrent. Either way you look at it though, playing online is playing online. You can't really seperate it by what you have and what you don't. You always run into the good and the bad. It's an inevitable factor, just like life. Each is there in their own certain way. How you cross them is in your hands.

The 360 offers additions to the games it releases. But, will this keep it up in the long run? Since it came out so early do you see it as being one to fall apart when the times come later? Or do you feel it to will keep up with the pace with new parts and extrememes. Once again though, that's opinion. Yet it's something to hear what everyone feels on their part of an online evolution.

[Yoshi]

graedius said:

I'm sure online SSBB will suck, just like online Mario Kart. There'll probably be no chat function, and there'll be losers who devote their whole life to it and exploit unforseen glitches/tricks to be beyond the best, to the point where playing doesn't matter anymore. And since the Wii's capabilities are only 512 megabytes of flash memory, it's not like you'd be able to download updates or patches to fix and unforseen glitches or exploits that these people could use -- no way to allow for gameplay balancing. So once it's one-sided, it'll be that way forever.

I really doubt I'll play it much online.
Mostly offline with friends, for all those reasons above.

Online play is basically a must in the modern world, and that's the way it's going to stay.

I dunno, those people who claimed they could do the "drift" glitches in SSBM weren't all that. Nothing a yoshi egg to the face can't fix. Besides, you can't put a price on making a little kid whom you've never met cry. Because of video games.

Offline with friends, online with other people from the internet, whatever. As long as I'd be able to stomp people in style, it's all good.

One of the things I enjoy having while internet playing is being able to see where your friends are if they're online and contact them easily. Like... if Hopacles goes online he can see his friend Thermistocles is online, on which server, in which room, playing in which game. I'd also be able to contact them somehow without disturbing the game they're in, maybe a blip and a small message in the corner.

I like my smacktalk, too.

[contention]

One of the things I enjoy having while internet playing is being able to see where your friends are if they're online and contact them easily. Like... if Hopacles goes online he can see his friend Thermistocles is online, on which server, in which room, playing in which game. I'd also be able to contact them somehow without disturbing the game they're in, maybe a blip and a small message in the corner.

In actuality, this is actually an addition to the Xbox Live motions that have been made of this era. Such things were given that include seeing your friends online time, as well as the game they are playing and the thing they are currently doing in the game. If they are fighting a boss, you can see what level, how well they are doing, and if they have a chance for survival. If anyone logs on while you play a game, watch a movie, or merely have the box on, a message will appear on your screen in a very subtle format. After which, if you choose to, you can "Private Chat" with them so the game they are playing can continue to be progressed. Also, you can play your own game while they do a whole diffrent scenario. It all depends on what you feel. This Live system has also a certain ability which keeps tracks of all the games you play, when you played them, what you achieved, how you achieved it, and the reputation you gained for your online time. That's what it has become a question as to what the other systems will do to up this.

Nintendo has been known for always coming out with some more juicy than the next. So it leaves a big open area for some type of discovery. Of course, that's all up to what they feel. With such small space though it leaves a limited amount to give off hand for hand. Yet, knowing what they do, they'll bring something to pump it up to a new level. You to are right on your mention of whats great to be done in a game. From the type of play to how others treat you. It seems such a big thing in games these days to stumble upon the "I'm Nine and like to say the word, 'You're Gay' a lot" crowd. It's sort of odd to think that some of them play such violent games. Well hey it gives a glimmer of hope. At least they'll understand the meaning of a 9mm and what a revolver can do at close range when they enter college. No worries of Columbine, no, none at all. Nothing to ever fret about there.

[Yoshiken]

My most joyous provision of internet gaming is seeing all those individuals get so frustrated when they are beaten so easily to the point to where they start cursing you out, and sending all their friends after you. oh....the joy XD.

[Graedius]

We'll see.
I'm still sure that losers ho spend their whole lives aimlesly at being the best will ruin the fun for a lot of people. And I'm sure that online, only ONE WAY will be accepted -- Stock 10 and no items, most likely. Always, only, ever, that. Which is sh't.

[contention]

It seems, by a bit of touch of news that the Wii is actually going to try to compete online wise with some of the Xbox Live qualities. Yet this is just a rumor, it might be still that it continues on a WiFi basis. Yet some reports seem to state, that instead of using just a blank and empty type of friend list, where each is on a seperate code, the Wii is going to try to manipulate it's own standards. That of an online messenger, where you can chat with one of your friends, in just a simplistic conversation. However, by source this might be uncertain. It also has been stated that this messenger would allow you to create a friends list to see when your buddies would happen to be online. Yet this can still be a foreign factor, for if it follows through with the WiFi feeling, it's going to leave some holes lying around. That would mean each game would have a seperate code, so unless it would allow you to remember and put down each code into your messenger, you wouldn't be able to know when your "Pals" had logged both on and off. It woudl be weird as well, because without communication in game, how could you learn the code of someone that you enjoyed playing with. Would there be any certain way to get around this, so you could gain more friends over time on your list, others to play with?

It seems the Xbox Live has upgraded it's systems as well through some news that was on actually. Stated that they upped their services to a new position, something that the Wii is doing as well. Since Live has been around, it has offered qualities in which you could download games and material off of their main market. The Wii is doing the same thing with the older games from diffrent versions of their consoles. However, hopefully both systems will allow the same thing. During the download session of Xbox's area, you can still chat, play games, and watch movies now. This is a big upgrade, and likely the Wii will follow along. If the download doesn't alter the play, that would surely draw in more of a crowd. Xbox Live has also implanted new aspects that can let you chat with a camera, place your picture there, and still play the game while your picture is paned to the side. That might be annoying, but all together something worth while. With competition as it is, the Wii is probaly going to bite at its heels and be very similiar.

Something that is odd though is the fact that the Ps3 has been so silent on it's online services. Some have even taken the time to mention that it won't offer true gameplay there. That if you do go online, you're on your own, they are not setting up a dedicated service to better the playing field. It would surely rise them out their ashes they have fallen into. If it's so powerful they should try to take some advantage from the new ground. Everyone says at times that a lot of the games we play are moving into the online era, where you can be with your friends and share the experience. It seems that is coming true, but still, single player can always steal your mushy heart away.

[Graedius]

The PS3 is kind of weird... how they made two versions.
The $599.99 version, which has full-functionality including online play, whereas the cheaper version lacks Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Memory Card slots (...)...

[contention]

Talk about taking things to the next level there, one has heard of the price changes on the two diffrent consoles. Its odd that way though, if you don't get the same thing as the higher one, then what is the use of even getting the system itself. You need memory cards to play the games with, otherwise they come out as useless in the end. Bluetooth is the new technology that has held it back for so long. It's sort of odd that they would rid of it for those who just want to have it easier. That, and with the online explosion, it makes no sense why they would get rid of that as well. Of course, it does fit better into the consumer pocket, but even then you are going to need something that is well built, functional, amusing, and just all around works the way you hoped it to. Of course the Xbox itself didn't have a version that came with everything, yet the pieces it was missing were easily replaced. Such as a Hard-drive and a Wireless controller, that's really the only thing that was needed to fit back in place. Yet if the Ps3 is ridding of so much for the cheaper crowd, it just makes no sense then; hopefully without so much that version will be more than just what "Cheap" recognizes.

Out of any of the consoles to be released in this storm, the one that has gotten the largest underscripted press was the Ps3. Most of that is based on the fact of their late release and overpowering charges. For coming into the competition they are leaving a lot out, and there is a rumor going around that you will be able to play Ps2 games. Yet many in the business say this function looks pretty faulty. Like a last minute push just to gain something for the better of themselves. So if thats what you're looking for, it may not be another right reason to really go all out for this console that is already so hidden in the shadows as it is. Hopefully as it's true release date comes on the edge, they will start to send out more that could really go into their direction, otherwise at this rate they are going to be stuck in a drowning type of position under the weight of the other two systems already out.

So far though the press on the systems has really opened eyes. It would have been good if the Xbox360 would have waited for others to come. Even if it wanted to hold its head in the market, if it had at least taken a little more time it could have been upgraded to the final level. Such as all those issues that came with the first releases, such as the freezing screens, the stuck CD Drives. Of course, every new console has its quirks, but that was just pathetic. Yet, at least it's gotten better and become the rival that it always has been against the other two. Now once they join the party it will go back to the days of, "Uh uh my Ps3 is better than your Xbox, and your Xbox is better than that Wii" Regardless to the filth though, all the consoles really are going to add something to the "game".

[Not-Garr]

graedius said:

I'm sure online SSBB will suck, just like online Mario Kart. There'll probably be no chat function, and there'll be losers who devote their whole life to it and exploit unforseen glitches/tricks to be beyond the best, to the point where playing doesn't matter anymore. And since the Wii's capabilities are only 512 megabytes of flash memory, it's not like you'd be able to download updates or patches to fix and unforseen glitches or exploits that these people could use -- no way to allow for gameplay balancing. So once it's one-sided, it'll be that way forever.

I really doubt I'll play it much online.
Mostly offline with friends, for all those reasons above.

It baffles me how you never have any faith in something new being even remotely fun. How do you know they're not going to make it airtight? And just like SSBM, the future copies are going to include upgrades.

It's not noticable unless you TRY it, but there are some things that are un-doable in the Player's Choice version of SSBM, compared to the older copies.

[Graedius]

bathroomrage said:

graedius said:

It baffles me how you never have any faith in something new being even remotely fun. How do you know they're not going to make it airtight? And just like SSBM, the future copies are going to include upgrades.

It's not noticable unless you TRY it, but there are some things that are un-doable in the Player's Choice version of SSBM, compared to the older copies.

That's a very shallow and unfair comment, and also unrelated.
Free online play of games is hardly a new concept, and that's all that my post concerned. It had nothing to did with anything 'new' about the game or it's concept. -- That, and the Wii's concept is entirely new, and I find it to be very promising, thank you very much.

I had no faith in Mario Kart DS when I first heard it was online, that the online multiplayer would suck -- and guess what! It does! You get like half of all available tracks, no battle modes, no way to communicate at all with other players, and lookie-gee -- a horribly-easy-to-explot trick to allow people with no lives to endlessly win and ruin the fun for others, with no way to counteract it's use. Everytime I've been in a game with a snaker, everyone else just dropped out of futility.

And that's just what SSBB will be like unless within 512mb of flash memory, they allow a download to fix some gameplay aspects. With every game there will always be at least one way, method, trick, glitch, or character design flaw/miscalculation that will give players the ability to play certain aspects of the game in ways they never meant them to, and abuse them to win -- now with a computer, patches and updates can be downloaded to constantly counterbalance them, to allow the desiners to weed out the unforseen and fix them, keeping gameplay even at all times.

So they released two versions of SSBM... big deal. I don't want to buy the game again, thanks.

I'm not saying I don't think SSBB will be awesome as all hell, because I predict it wholeheartedly and eagerly wait it's release above all else -- I just know that if they don't allow means of communication and constant updates/game fixes to keep everything balanced, the fun of the online-ness will fade away pretty quick. I'm not saying that they aren't going to do these things -- I just find it incredibly unlikely given the fact that it's internal memory is so small.

[Chilaquiles]

Just a thought, Keep in mind I'm not much of a tech support kind of guy...

I think you can put as many patches as you want on a video game, until every last glitch is fixed and it is flawless in design. But there's still gonna be some kid out there who uses a strategy you can't counter or a cheap trick to win him a match.

A neat feature to have with Nintendo's online games would be like, a room system. Where you could create your own game room, make the rules, and decide who's allowed in and who isn't. That way you could play with honest, fair players, and kick out the snakers with a tap of the A button, and voila, snaker problem is solved. Maybe copying some XBox live's features might not be a bad idea.

I agree that the Mario Kart DS online play sucked. It was just search and play. You have no idea who you're playing with, all you see is the name, avatar and record. Then you get into the race and notice that they're abusing power slides. Then you quit out of futility, as Graedius said.

But yeah, a room system would be the win. Especially for you, Grae.

[contention]

Hey, Nintendo, maybe copying some XBox live's features might not be a bad idea.

Seems that by some rumors that is what they are going to try to go for. Which seems to be a fair deal in the long run, they might as well pick up what they can. That way no arguments could really break the lines between the consoles users. For, what could you complain about when both the systems could offer one special type of gameplay. However, the idea about finding true game players is something that is a cost worthy process for any type of creator. It seems that in any game, there are going to be a multiplitude of glitches and issues in the main script. Things that many find a way to take advantage of, some give it justice by naming it simplistically. That underneath the title of, "Using the resources of the game to better suit yourself". Yet, it could go under the lines of cheating, due to the fact it is a unfair type of gameplay to the others that would be in the match with you. Xbox Live has set up a function in which you can report players for any disturbing behaviour that might come into the game. Of course, it takes many players to report a gamer in effort to get them banned from the service. But, it still is a very useful facet to implant within the system itself. However, there are some kinks and issues which cause it to have it's own set of probelms at times.

Xbox Live has a simple service where you can mention the troubles and actions of another player that you have been with. Yet they are quite odd and usually abused at times. There is no way to stop this, because you really can not compile evidence through these things. It's only by word of mouth and the fact that you send in the complaint that they have said something wrong. Some of the catagories for the issues are even listed as, "Playing the game to good, not understanding the game, or not playing the game well enough for the other players". For some reason these little areas that you can fill out just don't seem right, it doesn't look good to blame someone for playing the game to well. Of course, some people can do it with easy steed, and does this mean that they can't show off what they can do. However, things like camping and winning make sense to complain over, yet arguing over the fact that someone can kill you dead on makes no absolute picture. This can also effect your gamerscore, which is a part of your reputation. These areas are only completed the more you play online, and they expand each time someone prefers you. The more you get prefered the more you are bound to come across more mature players. This allows you to have fun in the areas that you wish to, leaving out the groups of "n00bs" from your experience in the online world.

Another thing that the Xbox Live was able to add seemed to be something that gave achievements unlike anything else. It gives you want to beat a game. Only because if you do happen to complete a task in something that you have bought, it will give you points. Now these points really don't amount to anything on a personal level, yet it's sort of like a way to "Show off" what you're good at. The more points you have, the more likely it is that you went through a lot of strife and troubles to gain them. Many there have large numbers in the realm of achievements, and even at times they can be more than difficult to unlock. Such are things which need to be added to the other consoles online line up. One game, as you all keep mentioning is SSBM online. Hopefully all the kinks and troubles of gameplay with others can be fixed, and it likely will seeing as Nintendo has always adored coming out on top in the end. So don't fret that it might be harsh, who knows what may actually appear.

[Graedius]

blood said:

I think you can put as many patches as you want on a video game, until every last glitch is fixed and it is flawless in design. But there's still gonna be some kid out there who uses a strategy you can't counter or a cheap trick to win him a match.

Yeah, but that would be a deisng flaw, a character imbalance -- while not nessesarily a glitch, that would be recognized as a imbalance of power -- sort of Like how Roy has incredible power, speed, and range all in one -- something they could alter and correct. They do this a lot with MMORPGs to ensure that all classes are even.

[Chilaquiles]

graedius said:

blood said:

I think you can put as many patches as you want on a video game, until every last glitch is fixed and it is flawless in design. But there's still gonna be some kid out there who uses a strategy you can't counter or a cheap trick to win him a match.

Yeah, but that would be a deisng flaw, a character imbalance -- while not nessesarily a glitch, that would be recognized as a imbalance of power -- sort of Like how Roy has incredible power, speed, and range all in one -- something they could alter and correct.

Yeah, they could alter or correct it, but no one will write them hate mail if they don't, so it's not going to happen. You should just brush up on your skill. This sort of thing really isn't worth groaning over, because they're not technically cheating.

[Graedius]

Yeah, they're not -- but it will be an imbalance that will have to be delat with constantly by people with no lives who play it all day and abuse it to be the best. I'm certain there'll be many games I'll end up quitting just because of some ass who makes it no fun to play.

After playing with balance, not having it will create a lacking feeling.

[contention]

graedius said:

Yeah, they're not -- but it will be an imbalance that will have to be delat with constantly by people with no lives who play it all day and abuse it to be the best. I'm certain there'll be many games I'll end up quitting just because of some ass who makes it no fun to play.

After playing with balance, not having it will create a lacking feeling.

No worries about that Graedius, that's how every game becomes. You always run into those type of people who play the game every waking hour of the day just so they can take victory. On any type of console and system troubles like that run more than rampid. It's sort of in that silly area since it seems the only reason they actually play the game is to win. How you mentioned up there is the true reason to do anything, just to have yourself some fun. Winning of course can make you feel good inside, but do it to much an it just puts a damper on things. Sometimes it's a most splendid thing to count on your team-mates and work to the end. There are times you don't always need to come off as being the best at the actions you do. Nevertheless though, there will always be those that feel they need to express themselves only enough to gain some type of victory for their troubles. Everywhere and anywhere these types thrive, constantly shooting your enjoyment for their own. That, and some of them go into the bad area because they will "Smack-Talk" you every time that you make a simple mistake or happen to die like all players should from time to time. With the more releases of online games, these types of players are only on the growth; the more realistic of the community is falling apart. As you said once Graedius, many gamers today aren't even really true console lovers; the wrong type of material brought them in, and it's also those that tear apart the amusment factor of what the game can progress.

It would be interesting if there would be that type of system in which you could prefer or decline the one you are playing with. Some type of aspect you could control to let you know what type of players you would be getting into matches to. That way those who take thing into a relaxed setting could enjoy themselves, and those that wanted to yell and scream at every punch and throw could be placed under pro. Maybe an advanced kind of feedback system so you could control how many times you would come across a player. Say it would be for many times to come, or if you hate him, that you could make it never. That, and it would be more than interesting to see if the Wii could take a large track of those you met. In such you could correctly toggle with a friends list and so much more. Yet at the time who knows what the Wii actually plans to enlist within themselves, it's been odd since so many small rumors have pocketed up without any true source to their arrival. It would be great though to see the Wii come with some great online bounties, but that's all up to Nintendo and their will to either pay or let it fade off.

About your mention of making characters more equal in SSBM Online. They likely will do all they can to make sure that when you play the game you have just as much of a chance as the other around you. It's still hazey as to what will come from these styles, but hopefully it will be something that can make your progress online fair and fun. That way it won't feel like the other has an unfair imbalance that you can't reach. Therefore, you could keep your head in the game if you could manage to keep everyone on the same level. In fact they might create some sort of character alignment likely for the online mode itself. It is probally something that they have well thought over for the future to come in itself.