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Post by Teo on Dec 24, 2006 15:36:07 GMT -5
This video talks about the life style of farm animals used to produce meat, eggs, and milk to the whole country. As you guessed, it's pretty horrible. -Warning, this video would be rated R for flowing blood, but I give it a PG13- video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-513747926833909134&q=meet+your+meat&hl=enOnce you watch it, you're probably going to either feel happy about being a tofu loving vegetarian (looks at Moshi), or you're going to feel really bad for those animals. But there's something else that pops up... if these animals are grown to be slaughtered anyways, should we care about what they go through and the pain they endure before death? If conditions were made better, would meat-makers stop producing enough meat to feed whatever country uses this style of meat making? Personally, even after this vid, I still like chicken.
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Post by Twi on Dec 24, 2006 15:47:09 GMT -5
I don't even need to watch the video because I seen this kinda thing on the news too many times.
The world is about survival of the fittest, we do what we can to live, this is going down to basic instincts here. Thinking about it we do it in the most humane way, we kill things that were born to die anyway, unlike a hunter animal that rips their pray to shreds. I'm ok with vegitarians as long as they don't go on about "saving the environment and animals, eating meat is murder" kinda thing. Eating other creatures is a fact of life, give an animal half a chance and it'll eat you too!
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Post by plebanshiren on Dec 24, 2006 16:15:01 GMT -5
The very basis of why I'm a vegitarian. And no, we don't kill them in the most humane way, slitting a pigs throat and letting the it bleed to death is not what I'd call humane, and as it shows in the video, alot of farms treat the animals very cruely and INhumanely. I do feel sorry for the animals, and with all the alternatives I can eat nowadays, I don't need meat, and haven't needed it for 4 years. And wether they're born to die or not is irrelevant, NOTHING deserves to be treated that way!
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Post by Twi on Dec 24, 2006 17:33:43 GMT -5
slitting a pigs throat and letting the it bleed to death is not what I'd call humane Usually it's done right where the pig dies straight away because you cut the blood to the brain. Pig feels not pain.
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Post by Moot on Dec 24, 2006 18:53:26 GMT -5
I thought that was only the Halal way of doing it?
Every other way I've heard of uses a bolt gun to slaughter them which as far as I can remember is pretty much instant.
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Post by Twi on Dec 24, 2006 18:54:31 GMT -5
It is, and they kill it straight away, otherwise it ain't holy or whatever.
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Post by Fluory on Dec 24, 2006 19:27:32 GMT -5
I love meat. Double-scoop ice cream This is a nice, efficient way to go about it... I don't like meat being more expensive, and it's not really painful for zeh animal. It's the best way to go about it, really -- meat would most likely be very overpriced and not nearly as plentiful if we went through other means, such as doing the whole old-fashioned farming without factory and whatnot thing. Too many people exist for that, really. Although I don't have problems with vegitarian peoples unless they're all, "YOU EAT MEAT YOUR EVIL"
Hooray for meat. :D
Lawl PETA. Very unreliable and crazy people.
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Post by Yin on Dec 24, 2006 19:47:26 GMT -5
Meat meat meat, how I love meat. I say there's nothing wrong with it but if it isn't go on and say it as if I care. There is always the vegetarians and the meat eaters, a boundary that divides the nation by their diet and beliefs.
The eating meat is murder thing, I just don't get it. If eating meat is wrong then why do the other animals get to eat it. It's the circle of life, it moves along and ebbs and flows but it has to stop at one point. And if it's so wrong, then why is it in the food pyramid?
I like my meat and I want to eat it too. I don't really care how it comes to my table as long as it dead and cooked, I can eat it. I'm not trying to say that I have a problem with vegetarians, it's just that if you care so much on how things are processed than go on and do as you please.
EDIT: I noticed we had this kind of discussion many times before. I'm kinda tired of people whining just because another person doesn't agree with them. We understand that you have your reason for not eating meat but we have reasons for eating meat too. Can we let it rest?
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Post by Not-Garr on Dec 24, 2006 19:48:26 GMT -5
Such self-righteous tripe. It's a fact of life that not everyone likes, but many accept, that life continues at the expense of itself.
...Think of the plants, people. Just because they don't move, or squeal, or because not all of them bleed doesn't mean they're alive, doesn't mean they're aware, either. Many times after a vegitable is picked, it's still alive weeks later.
How's that different than killing an animal, seriously? This kinda crap makes me sick. I'm going to continue eating meat just to make vegitarians squirm.
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Post by Yoshi on Dec 24, 2006 20:06:02 GMT -5
Right I'm going to invoke Samadhi's Law here.
The fact of the matter is that PETA has been known to go out of its way to make things look worse than they actually are. In one particular case a PETA member got hired in a lab for testing monkeys. When the supervisor left he was put in charge. He intentionally neglected the animals and broke the laws and then invited other members to videotape the abuse.
I don't find anything wrong with this. The techniques used in modern farms have been tested, checked and approved by lawmakers and those who specialize in these kinds of situations. Animals are a huge investment that companies make, even if all they're doing is killing them. Breaking laws is a move too costly for them to make.
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Post by Yoshifrog on Dec 24, 2006 21:09:26 GMT -5
Mountain lions eat things alive. Sharks rip things to pieces. Boas strangle things and crush all there innerds. Alligators tear things up and drown them. Animals are the inhumane ones. I know what's on that video is sick and wrong, and that we could do better. But compared to the circle of life's way of doing it, we are being humane. slitting a pigs throat and letting the it bleed to death is not what I'd call humane And then there's the tearing and the drowning. And there a very few events where the stunning process doesn't work. I have a feeling that Peta chose to display the most extreme circumstances. And I must point out, not eating the animals doesn't mean that they're going to stop killing them.
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Post by Chilaquiles on Dec 25, 2006 21:35:32 GMT -5
Well, no, an animal can't be inhumane because it isn't human in the first place, but I see your point.
Yeah. That made me hungry. I want some friggin' steak.
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Post by vaporshi on Jan 2, 2007 23:45:42 GMT -5
Right I'm going to invoke Samadhi's Law here. The fact of the matter is that PETA has been known to go out of its way to make things look worse than they actually are. In one particular case a PETA member got hired in a lab for testing monkeys. When the supervisor left he was put in charge. He intentionally neglected the animals and broke the laws and then invited other members to videotape the abuse. I don't find anything wrong with this. The techniques used in modern farms have been tested, checked and approved by lawmakers and those who specialize in these kinds of situations. Animals are a huge investment that companies make, even if all they're doing is killing them. Breaking laws is a move too costly for them to make. Agreed. Any video created by PETA shouldn't be taken to heart. They look for worst case scenerios in animal treatment and exploit them as much as possible. If you're looking for the facts, go to a farm. That's not to say animals aren't slaughtered...obviously they are, but not in this manner. PETA is one giant hyperbole. Consider this: The video keeps saying things like "this is standard" or "this is legal in the farm industry" ...which industry? This could be from any country. There are different laws everywhere. They're just pulling out video footage from the WORST places and claiming it as fact for ALL farms all over the world. In any case, this video made me hungry. Mmm, meat.
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