Board Discrimination

[Yoshifrog]

Excuse me people.

I just have to put this out here- I know the forum has lost it's activity, and that people have a right to do as they choose, but I've noticed many are neglecting some of the boards. I mean, we're a community, and I've noticed many people who linger in the other boards are being shunned.

I'm just saying maybe we could like, you know, vary our subjects. It's seems the Yoshi art gets all the attention while much "Other" art is ignored- but some people could have put their hearts into their work in hopes of recieving a kind word or two, and get zip.

If you people didn't know I don't live in a very artsy family. They don't really care about my work. This and deviantart are the only places I turn to- and yet, discrimination of the arts (and many other subjects) seems to be going on.

I'm not saying you have to post in all the boards, I'm just hoping some of us could spare 30 seconds of their lives and drop a quick comment somewhere new every once and a while.

What do you guys think?

[Twi]

I think "discrimination" is a bit harsh. Other art isn't purposefully shunned with peoples mentalilty of "LOLZWAT THIS ISNT YSHI WTF?!?!?!?!?"

Sure, other art isn't as popular and people don't comment as much, but the reason is simple. This is a yoshi board. Sure other art is interesting, but mainly interests lie in yoshi more often than not.

I know personally I look at all art, other or yoshi, and comment on neither. Why? Because I'm lazy really.

Remember, deviantart is still there for you if you want the comments and such, but I think to say people are discriminating is naive.

[PinkFloydYoshi]

This is a Yoshi fan board, afterall, so can't really expect anything else, unfortunately, but I regularly check both sections every so often and I don't often comment because not everyone wants to be spammed with "omgomgomg you're really good!" and would rather have some constructive criticism to help them improve their style, and I'm sure others think the same way.

I think Anjil has mentioned it on the board also that it's not the praises she wants, it's the criticism to help her improve what she wants to do and I'm exactly the same.

And by the way, I saw 'discrimination' and immediately thought "Oh god, someone has declared they don't like a person because of their race or colour or something else now I have to ban them", so 'discrimination' would not be a word I would use. :s

[Fluory]

I wouldn't really call it "discrimination"; I'd more of call it favoritism. It's not so much skill that gets comments presently, but things like: "Is it fanart of someone's character?", "Are people particularily lazy or people who generally comment active/not active now?", "Do you have lots of friends that come here?", "Did you bug other people to comment in your thread?", "Do you comment and praise a bunch of other people's art a lot?" This is how things work in the way of comments, unfortunately. >_>; Skill doesn't count so much anymore. Writing is also very ignored for some reason.

And it's a yoshi board, therefore people are going to look at the yoshi art section more for some reason; I don't know, I don't particularly neglect to look at other art. Other art and the writing sections are particularly neglected for some reason, regardless. While I personally don't really comment on pictures unless: I have a point to make, encouragement, I really like where their style is going, I feel I need to give some constructive criticism, or it's very, very amazing to me. And then I'm just lazy. I should comment more often though, either way.

I tend to get a decent enough amount of comments here- unless it's in other art, where I tend to get almost none, and just about none in writing- and really not a lot on dA. Again, how little skill really factors in compared to other things is a very disheartening thing. Although while the really short comments like, "thats great!!!!" really irritate me, some constructive criticism irritates me more. Here's an example of that:

"The tail looks off."

Really now. But why does the tail look off? How can I fix it? >__>; Comments like that don't help at all- and generally I was already aware it didn't look right-, and I really don't even want constructive criticism that does. I'm probably strange compared to most people, but I feel like learning from other people's instruction (which can very well be wrong) is just kind of hollow compared to learning how to do it yourself.

In my opinion, I think the most insightful comments are the ones that say what particularily attracted them to the picture. I'll gladly give crits to people who really want 'em, though. But the lack of comments I always recieved compared to others always bothered me, if you want my conceited-sounding opinion. <_< Used to, anyway. It doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore now, but I still can't say it doesn't bother me to some degree.

But yeah. In conclusion, it would be nice if the writing section and the other art section weren't ignored so much, and if there was more commenting-a going 'round. It would be nice, indeed.

[Yoshifrog]

twilightyoshi said:

I think "discrimination" is a bit harsh. Other art isn't purposefully shunned with peoples mentalilty of "LOLZWAT THIS ISNT YSHI WTF?!?!?!?!?"

Sure, other art isn't as popular and people don't comment as much, but the reason is simple. This is a yoshi board. Sure other art is interesting, but mainly interests lie in yoshi more often than not.

I know personally I look at all art, other or yoshi, and comment on neither. Why? Because I'm lazy really.

Remember, deviantart is still there for you if you want the comments and such, but I think to say people are discriminating is naive.

Yes yes I know discrimination is a harsh word. Heheh, just wanted a thrilling title. Please don't get all fussy about it /:
And you seem to be ignoring my points completely. As I said this is a Yoshi board, but other people come here for reasons besides that, and they don't deserve to be ignored because of their opinion. It's rude- like going to a craft fair and ignoring people who don't talk about crafts.

And yes. As pawy said, writing is one of the most neglected areas (even at DA nobody- I mean nobody- comments on my writing) I love putting writing up, I do it all the time- and honestly it hurts my feelings that it doesn't recieve more than a comment or two. I normally get none. And what makes me feel even worse is the number of times viewed- about 3/4 of them are me editing or checking my writing, and besides that I'd say most writing gets is about 10 views. Tops. There are at least 200 active members here- and that's out of- I don't remember- maybe 500 or so, so that's a stretch. It's probably more.
It's rude, I think. I comment in all the boards, except maybe the 'questions' one, only because I'm not a big gamer myself, and couldn't answer them.

And honestly, I'm not saying you have to be a frequent poster in all places- it would just make me feel alot better if some of us posted at least once in a blue moon, somewhere new. Seriously.

[Twi]

Writing has always been neglected. If you look at the writing board, the comments are less than encouraging to say the least. All 0 except a few 1s and the rare 2. I agree that people should look at other art and writing more, but it's unfeasible to expect everybody to do so. You can't really force people to be interested in these sections, it's really up to the individuals on what they pick to look at. That craft fare analogy was good, but then again, how many people at a craft-fare go and don't like crafts? Not many I wager. If people don't like crafts, they generally don't go to one. Although that's slightly different from here, some people do come here and not talk about yoshi, but then again, there isn't really much talk about yoshi anyway.

[Lord of the Dance]

I regularly read all the poems and fanfictions I can. I just don't leave comments because I'm not the best writer, and I don't want to screw you guys up too bad by correcting something you already got right. That and I know about zip about poetry, so there's really nothing I can say besides "it flows good" or "nice rhymes," and I know you guys dislike comments like that, heheh.

As for the Other Art section, I don't care that much for furries. So I don't post on those threads. It's not that your art is bad- I just don't have an interest of the type of artwork shown. That and descriptions like "Oh, I was bored so I did this in like fifteen seconds" sort of put me off, and I feel like my comment wouldn't be worth the time if all you did was scribble and call it done. I want to see your best before I can decide what you can improve on.

[Yoshifrog]

yosheechamp said:

As for the Other Art section, I don't care that much for furries. So I don't post on those threads.

Hey. Wo.
I have lost interest in Yoshi, but that doesn't mean I ignore the Yoshi art, and I do comment on it- all the time. I respect my friends here, and I think they deserve comment on their hard work. So even if I see a Yoshi picture, if I can see that a lot of effort was put forth into it I make sure to leave a comment for those who deserve it.
We should put our interests aside. That's why this thread was created.

And as for the poetry- you don't have to comment on the poetry itself, but the story it holds, or at least try to get a vague idea of what it's about. You might say 'aw, how sweet', or, 'that sounds really nice'. Maybe even critique like, 'nice, but a little choppy in some parts'
And you could lie [haha, I know that sounds wrong], and just say it was nice and that they are improving. I don't support that, but I never take a comment for granted no matter the length or the meaning. As long as someone took some time to make me feel better, I'm happy.


Oh, oh. Let's see you guy's opinion on this one XD
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Problem solved. No more favoritism. I WILL TAKE EXTREME MEASURES :3

[Shoe]

As much as I hate to say, she's got a point. Like what Twi said, the fan fics hardly ever get any credit. I spent all afternoon writing something, and it kinda crushed me when I saw noone seemed to care for it. I even felt a little betrayed. A reason why I rarely show my face here anymore. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, I'm just sayin'.

Cute picture as always by the way. Made me laugh. ^^

[Anjil]

pinkfloydyoshi said:

I think Anjil has mentioned it on the board also that it's not the praises she wants, it's the criticism to help her improve what she wants to do and I'm exactly the same.

Heh! True, that. Actually, that reason is why I don't post so much art here anymore. Most of the comments, other than Yoshee's and occasional others, aren't that helpful for improvement. =\ I feel like I'm spamming when I do post.



But yes, this is a Yoshi board. Thus, the default art that everyone will like is Yoshi art. I do agree that Other Art and writing don't get much attention, though.

Other Art probably doesn't get much attention because most people on this Yoshi forum aren't very interested in the subjects. I do agree that some people need to open their minds to more forms of art and art subjects, though. The slowly progressing inactiveness of this forum may also be adding onto the things I just mentioned.

Writing probably isn't very popular because not many people on this board understand what a great piece of literature is. I'll admit that I don't. They might also not know how to give a good critique for poems or stories. And, of course, everyone may just be a bunch of lazy bums.

Other things that may be causing this is because that artist isn't very active in commenting on other people's work. It bugs me a lot when someone complains about not getting many comments, while they themselves hardly ever comment on other people's work. It doesn't seem fair to me. Comment to get comments.

It may also be because that particular person posts more than most people can keep track of. I know that was a problem in the past for some artists here. That's why it's good to make one thread for a bunch of pictures, instead of making a separate thread for each.

Some of this board's members have other things to do outside the internet, too, although that's probably not the main reason for lack of comments.

I also agree with Yoshee, that if someone just draws something really quick that took around 5 minutes because they were "bored," I'll be turned away. It'd be nice if the drawing had actual effort put into it.

In conclusion, I do agree, for the most part. Some people just need to open their minds a little bit more. But it may also be the artist's fault.

My two cents.

[Toshi]

I'm gonna admit something to you now, I hate commenting on pieces, reasons why is because...

1) I'm usually stumped for what to say, and usually just saying "Oh this is good" as a last resort is sometimes a lie and means nothing, and don't say this isn't true.

2) I give out personal comments, rather than let the world know what I thought of a piece, because like above, I'd rather show the artist/writer that I'm not lying (because seriously, who tells the truth these days? I know many aren't truthful to me). This only happens to friends who I know personally and well enough from this place and on DA, so how can I do the same for you guys if I don't even have your contacts for IMs?

3) I only comment if a piece actually interests me, which the majority of the time, they don't. If it's only a pic of a character that I don't even know, then I don't bother, because the character that was drawn won't interest me (probably the reason why I never get any feedback, haha).

4) This one is guaranteed, if they actually involve me, so yeah, you get comments off me for this reason.

Sure, some of you may look at those reasons and think of me as quite an ass for my attitude towards comments, but just think about them for a second.

Now I've said that I get annoyed when I recieve no comments at all for some of the things I do here, I mean let's face it, my last submission here only got one comment, which got me pissed, I admit, because I spent a couple of days doing that and for once, I actually took my time on them, and getting hardly any responses was quite a kick in the teeth for me.

I can see what Anjil is saying about "comment to get comments", but you'll find that most people don't even bother commenting in return regardless.These days, you have to be a super-popular person (or an amazing artist, which I'm neither) to recieve comments for the things you do, this attitude, to me, is wrong. People don't draw for popularity, they draw because it's a hobby, but it is nice to get a comment from a "super-popular" artist/writer once in a while (Which reminds me, thank you Coral for being one of those awesome and popular artists who still finds the time to comment on my pieces~ =D). Yeah, it bugs me also that people complain that nobody comments on pics that they do yet don't even give them back, but when nobody comments on your work that you put a lot of effort into it? That really does annoy me, it's like saying "We don't appreciate you being here", which, to me, is what I feel like most of the time.

Anyway, after saying that, I suppose you can't expect everyone to comment on every single submission that gets posted here, there, and elsewhere.

So yeah, there's my opinion on the matter~ Have fun judging me. =D