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Post by Gene L.D. Ryoko on Apr 6, 2005 19:46:57 GMT -5
a debait forum debait topic: pokemon, money makeing schem,quick way to get rid of others,or something else . here is an article on this debait talk about how you feel article: pokemon fans,argue with the writer not with us,and look here for other anti-pokemon articles www.nintendoland.comreason for debait: while looking at some articles i've seen a lot of articles saying pokemon is the down fall of nintendo. |
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Post by Teo on Apr 6, 2005 19:59:17 GMT -5
None-theless, I have to agree. And the games are better than the cards. For those who have spent fortunes on getting packs, one word: EBAY.
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Post by Soul on Apr 7, 2005 1:52:14 GMT -5
Well, just don't forget that Nintendo is, after all, a business. Nintendo (and any other business for that matter) doesn't care about your happiness as much as they care about your money. If Nintendo really wanted kids to be happy then they would make roms 100% legal and let anyone copy their latest games freely. (can you imagine if cou could download any game you wanted to your Nintendo console, all for free? It's not gonna happen) Of course, Nintendo still cares about their customer's happiness a little, but a business will ALWAYS care more for a customer's money than his/her happiness.
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Post by Jacobyoshi on Apr 7, 2005 5:18:51 GMT -5
Hmm.. If people think Pokemon are creatures kids like...
If kids want to buy their cards and not Nintendo's games I think they should, because a lot of people on this board still like Pokemon (CJ, Red, BB) So if they think they are ripping off nintendo's buisness.. Thats weird..
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Post by PinkFloydYoshi on Apr 7, 2005 13:50:45 GMT -5
^ Agree's
It's their money, let them spend it. Businesses exist to make money, businesses go bankrupt without it, so you've gotta look at the big picture. You could continue as normal, and watch people get bored with the company throwing the same old stuff out every month, or, they can think of a new idea and create an entirely seperate franchise, and make money out of that aswell. What would you do?
They're not abusing Nintendo's original creations by bringing pokemon into the world (They are when they put the two genre's together, well done 'HAL Labs', morons...) they're just creating two different genre's of fans. Sony tried copying them too belive it or not, a month after Pokemon was launched, but backed out (I belive) because they didn't want a bigger reputation for copying other companies motives. If someone's going to complain about a company trying to make money on something using a new idea, after the stupendous success of the ps1, Big N made losses, so they've gotta recuperate it somehow, and pokemon was that very thing that kept them going.
(Surprising hearing this come from someone who's not a Pokemon fan, eh?)
And pokemon isn't the downfall of nintendo, not by a long shot. Again, thats the opinion of someone who's ego is the size of pompeii.
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Post by red.yoshi on Apr 8, 2005 15:02:26 GMT -5
your only looking at one side of this argument. just because a few people dont think pokemon is great dosent mean its not. look at all the other fans out there who like pokemon.
nintendo cant come to every house and destroy every single bit of pokemon evidence. its going to take a verry lot to stop nintendo from making pokemon.
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Post by sui on Apr 8, 2005 17:12:07 GMT -5
That's right, but...
catch 22: if the customer isn't 'happy' with the purchased thing (in this case: Pokémon cards or games), then the customer don't spend _money_ for the same franchise next time (e.g. Pokémon, Mario, Grand Theft Auto ...)
So, if the customer's 'happiness' isn't the most important thing in a business - after all, it's need to be.
If someone buy a simple plastic card for 100$, then be happy with it, and don't cry for it's price - not required to buy it.
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Post by Soul on Apr 8, 2005 18:28:57 GMT -5
Allow me to explain a little further:
Let's imagine it's the year 2001. And let's also imagine we are Nintendo & HAL, and we're currently discussing what to make of a new game (SSBM). What is our top goal? Well, it is to make the most money we can. Ok, but how do we do that exactly? Well, we must make a game that will please as many gamers as possible. But we are aware it's not possible to please ALL gamers. So we must try to please as many as possible. Let's look at what the stats say about what our customers think of our 3 beta versions of our new unreleased game:
Beta1:
Liked by: 60% of our customers
Disliked by: 40% of our customers
Beta2:
Liked by: 88% of our customers
Disliked by: 12% of our customers
Beta3:
Liked by: 89% of our customers
Disliked by: 11% of our customers
Which version should we choose to put into production? Naturally it's beta3, it pleases the most customers, which means it will bring the most money. We obviously don't care what that remaining 11% of our customers think (though obviously we aren't going to tell them that). We can make the most money if we choose beta3, so lets finalize it and put it into production.
Conclusion: They only care for a customer's happiness if he or she is included in the majority percentage.
I happened to be in the smaller percentage (whatever the real percentage was) when SSBM came out. And you know what? I've not bought another gamecube game since. I was displeased.
Since the happiness of the majority of Nintendo's customers is required to bring in the cash, it may seem that Nintendo's top goal is to make customers happy. But it's not. It is a secondary goal, after the first one which is 'make the most money'.
I hope I didn't sound angry with this post. I just like to discuss things like these. Sorry if I sounded angry, I assure you I am not...
And about pokemon: It's just a 'thing' that 'exists', and that some people like and some people disklike (as dumb as that may sound to you). So you can't really say it's good or bad if you do not specify to who it is good or bad. It is EXTREMELY good for Nintendo because of all the money they've earned with it. It is bad for people who are annoyed with it. And many parents are completely neutral about it. etc., etc...
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Post by Yoshee&Champ on Apr 8, 2005 21:57:18 GMT -5
I agree with you, Soul. They came out with the game that would mmost likely make the most money. But, they're also looking to please parents. Why do you think they have a policy on curses and stuff? More parents like the games, and they get more money. So, the customer happiness is priority one on that list.
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Post by red.yoshi on Apr 8, 2005 22:34:19 GMT -5
unless we go directly to gamefreak and nintendo, we cannot learn which way the phanenomon is going. i think pokemon is worth buying. its just an opinion though. we cant prove anything about money that will be spent on pokemon game merchendise in the future. we can guess though with what if, lets say, and lets imagine statements.
when a pokemon game comes out it sells BIG. mabye not as big as other games, but its still on the nintendos top selling game list. when emerald comes out may 1st, we will see.
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Post by Lazo on Apr 9, 2005 0:17:04 GMT -5
Understand that it's not what the company cares about, but what the company can afford to care about.
It's like warfare (...I say that a lot, don't I?) it's like warfare. Standardization of equipment is essential for any Western military to function effectively, for easy re-supply and interchangable parts. It's a fact that most people are right handed, so the rifles are made with safeties, addon-clamps, etc. With right-handed people in mind.
Now there are left handed people in the military. Surprising, I know, but it's true. They're not exactly happy with being forced to operate with equipment designed for right-handed people. The manufacturer, however, has pump out these things quickly in order to keep our forces armed, safety high and economy up. Re-weaving the parts costs time and money, and it adds up. Re-supplying would also be difficult, as they'd have to seperate the left-hand parts from the right-hand parts.
Same line as Nintendo. They would like to make everyone happy, but re-designing a game for those with the dissenting opinion costs time and money that Nintendo might not be able to afford. Game production costs have rocketed up, just like the costs of military equipment (Please don't ask me how much 1 F-22 Raptor costs.).
Nintendo sees that a majority of people are being made happy with pokemon, so they continue to make pokemon, which draws them money, which allows them to function.
It's a triangle of happiness, profits and product. Take away any one of them -Profits, happiness, product- and the system collapses. As long as these three aspects exist, pokemon will continue to be made.
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Post by Soul on Apr 10, 2005 1:08:52 GMT -5
Well said, Lazoshi. (However, I suspect that some of the younger members here may not understand your post in its entirety...).
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Post by Yoshee&Champ on Apr 10, 2005 11:21:23 GMT -5
I get it. Well said, Lazoshi.
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Courtesy of Red. Yoshi. Thanks! 
