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Post by plebenshiren on Jul 22, 2006 19:53:49 GMT -5
This thing about you guys saying Yoshi is Yoshi, well you're pretty much damn right in explaining it. Sure, he resembles a lot of creatures like Lizards, Dinosaurs, Frogs (but still, wtf?) and Dragons, but maybe that's what the crazy mind of Nintendo are all about. I guess you could say that when they created Yoshi, they didn't want him to belong to a specific family, except a unique one, known as a Yoshi. you got a valid piont there toshi! nintendo do have a way with mixing things up, to make their own species, like koopas, the mushroom people even bowser, they all have the characteristics of one or more exsisting species on the planet but at the end of the day, they are their own species, nintendo certainly have a way with doing that ^^ |
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Post by Yoshi Master! on Jul 22, 2006 20:57:28 GMT -5
That, and Yoshi's Island is in Dinosaur Land.
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Post by Not-Garr on Jul 23, 2006 7:42:47 GMT -5
About the hair thing, since Yoshi's have a very small back head, they probably can't grow a lot of hair. Though they could still grow it out as long as they want. In the Mushroom World bald is opposite for the Toad's people and Yoshi. There's more bald people there than on earth. Having them stand upright is cool, making them look more human. The only problem is when people elongate everything, so that it's basically a human with a Yoshi's head. Wearing clothes is fine, it's just that they don't wear anything in the tropical environments cus it's a lot hotter. They're their own species. It's like how dragons, lizards, and dinosaurs all look reptilian. Looks similar, but no. Their colors show nothing of they're personality. Color pigmintation in there food changes their skin. But unlike Mario Sunshine where it's instant, they would have to eat a lot of the same kind of fruit to change color. In a lot of my art I show Yoshi's wearing clothes and swords. That's only cus it looks cool! I agree with most of this, though I don't think they can change their color at will. I would assume the colors come from genetic difference s in the parents, or perhaps simply the hatchling's disposition. I again, don't think a Yoshi can change their color. LEVEL UP ! ! It's only been shown in Super Mario Sunshine. Yoshies...appear to be their own species altogether. They could be reptiles, but what of the hair on their heads? They could be dinosaurs, dragons, or even frogs, but I doubt any of that. TRIPLE BONUS MULTIPLIER ! ! Yoshi is Yoshi is Yoshi. |
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Post by PinkFloydYoshi on Jul 23, 2006 8:51:47 GMT -5
About the hair thing, since Yoshi's have a very small back head, they probably can't grow a lot of hair. Though they could still grow it out as long as they want. In the Mushroom World bald is opposite for the Toad's people and Yoshi. There's more bald people there than on earth. Having them stand upright is cool, making them look more human. The only problem is when people elongate everything, so that it's basically a human with a Yoshi's head. Wearing clothes is fine, it's just that they don't wear anything in the tropical environments cus it's a lot hotter. They're their own species. It's like how dragons, lizards, and dinosaurs all look reptilian. Looks similar, but no. Their colors show nothing of they're personality. Color pigmintation in there food changes their skin. But unlike Mario Sunshine where it's instant, they would have to eat a lot of the same kind of fruit to change color. In a lot of my art I show Yoshi's wearing clothes and swords. That's only cus it looks cool! I agree with most of this, though I don't think they can change their color at will. I would assume the colors come from genetic difference s in the parents, or perhaps simply the hatchling's disposition. I again, don't think a Yoshi can change their color. LEVEL UP ! ! It's only been shown in Super Mario Sunshine. Yoshies...appear to be their own species altogether. They could be reptiles, but what of the hair on their heads? They could be dinosaurs, dragons, or even frogs, but I doubt any of that. TRIPLE BONUS MULTIPLIER ! ! Yoshi is Yoshi is Yoshi. Wouldn't saying that Yoshi's have hair, be the same as them being able to change colour at will, seeing as Yoshi's only had hair in Paper Mario 2, which was an unofficial game? Originally, and officially, Yoshi has spikes down the back of his head and neck, much like that of dinosaurs. Seperating the many traits Yoshi has and simply putting him in a species of his own (Which placing an creature by itself in it's own species is incorrect as there are many thousands of each different species of insect, mammal and lizard (and others) along with sub species of each type of creature) is an incorrect theory, because this would be exactly the same as saying the terodactyl wasn't a dinosaur because it has wings(In simple terms, a lizard with bird properties, ie, wings, or to put it a better way, a dragon with wings isn't a dragon, it's it's own entity, see what I mean?). When you say that Yoshi is of his own species, you're saying that there are several different species of Yoshi with different names, ie, a Yoshi 'family tree' so to speak. And yeah, I agree with what Yoshi Mastar pointed out that Yoshi was discovered in Dinosaur Land, in Super Mario World, which was an official game. Go figure. |
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Post by contention on Jul 23, 2006 13:23:22 GMT -5
It really depends upon common knowledge and what the average man would put into script to sum up the values of Yoshi. As many have stated throughout this article, it really fluently depends upon what you think and how you might come to possibly find that conclusion. Nintendo has been known for its outrageous creations, as pointed out, but it is these constructions that cause our hearts to jump in more than just gallops and of the likes. For Yoshi himself it seems can be debated into many phylums, classes, and kingdoms; yet sincerly, focusing on some vital point could be near impossible. Merely because as a human race, with differing opinions, our sides do not let us cave in. We can however agree and suggest with another who seems close to our own findings; the only true means of discovering his background is to research into the pull of what the creator had in mind. As given, he could be influenced by a numerous amount of items, sections, and aspects. Everyone in here has stated him as being a Lizard, Frog, Dragon, and an Amphibian; who is to say that in fact, factors from those creatures didn't come to help our fellow friend along. When devulging your mind into what Nintendo is, you have to come to think of the "unimaginable" kind of features; from simple Italian men who can do backflips, to oversized Reptiles with large shells covering their backs. As well, the main script from the company is Japanese, and without stereotyping anything, how many sane things have come out of Japan? Not to much, and due to that, things are really hard to pinpoint in other cultures.
Just because someone happens to establish the boundaries of a character does not mean they need to classify as to where it evolved from. As Gar pointed out, Yoshi is a speices in and of itself; it's near unlikely to find any one soul who can give the best reasoning behind where he comes from. Sure we can all agree with one another, but there will always be those differing views that decide apart. Therefore tensions grow and lines are pulled, but to the simple version of things, Yoshi is merely a figment of the mind. In essence, he wasn't created with logic, and his bearings weren't made for us to put him into the scheme of the Animal Kingdom. He was pinpointed at the children of the gaming industry, something to cause them to cheer up with joy. There is the cute area, just as much as the unexplainable functions that he can compress; for you have to think about it in the means of how we saw things when were younger. Why did shows like Barney intrest us, and what the hay was "Bananas in Pajamas". They possibly gave no foundation on common sense, yet they gave us intrest and that was enough to go along. Yoshi is another spot on this window, a device that was brought forth to bring in a fandom, a crowd.
Sure, as you implied there Pink, if we do say that Yoshi is his own speices we come to a conclusion of basing him on many diffrent levels. We are in detail remarking that he is made up of many diffrent classes, bases. However, in the fact of the matter 'speices' is the lowest level of classication for any type of being that lives today.
Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
Speices
While you are still very founded in being correct with your statement, it's better to call Yoshi his own speices than to place him under a whole boundary of a Kingdom or a Phylum. Because, if he is labeled in the bounty of such; there are certain definitions that go along with that kind of mention. If he is indeed a Dinosaur, which most likely his influence was taken from, there would be countless evolutionary steps to follow. This would mean that Yoshi would have been built from a farther up Phylum, splitting him down into a Class; then seperating him even more into an Order. It would just continue to tilt, none the less.
So summed up, but what you have all mentioned it seems that everyone could go on forever about where Yoshi came from. We have our beliefs, and we have our standards that we have grown up thinking. Because of this, there is not one spot that we can manage to gnaw upon. In essence, let everyone feel what they wish to; yet as Gar put it there: Yoshi is Yoshi is Yoshi. Yoshi is itself, rised on the gratitude of some farther grave, but all together he is created for himself. Obviouslly, as human beings when we make something we use a picture in our minds. We use what we have seen before, experience is what causes us to use our skills and techniques. While the creator of this being worked, he might have sifted through countless pieces; from Dinosaurs to nearly every possible spot, until he felt he had come to his conclusion. All the while though, Yoshi is just something we love and what he is; well, that's like asking someone to define the source of "God".
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Post by Yoshi on Jul 23, 2006 15:05:58 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that Yoshi was originally created so that Mario could ride a dinosaur.
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Post by Lord of the Dance on Jul 23, 2006 15:48:13 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that Yoshi was originally created so that Mario could ride a dinosaur. I read that somewhere, too. Nintendo wanted Mario to ride a dinosaur, so they set someone to work to come up with one. In the end, they got Yoshi. ...Or something like that. |
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Post by Yoshi Master! on Jul 23, 2006 19:32:06 GMT -5
And that's why everybody thinks Yoshi's Mario's pet.
Well, the non Mario fans anyway.
Yoshi's changing color.....
It seems more natural that they would stay the same color as their parents. Having them change in hue could be normal enough though. Just a slight tinge in color.
Oh and this is TMK's saying:
Shigeru Miyamoto has stated that ever since they finished Super Mario Bros., the design staff wanted to have Mario ride a dinosaur. It was believed to be impossible technically until the Super NES was developed.
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Post by Lich Yoshi von Kippo on Jul 23, 2006 21:50:25 GMT -5
*points up the topic* Two things:
1. Remember that "dinosaur" means "terrible lizard". Ergo, dinosaurs = lizards.
2. The chameleon has a Yoshi-esque tongue. It's a lizard, so, it's not necessarily "just a frog thing".
In my take of the Nintendo universe, Yoshies are evolved dinosaurs (remember the SMB movie, abominable as it is? Yep.) I must admit I use the comet as a bit of a Deus Ex Machina when it comes to some of the stranger things - radiation exposure, for example - but I think Yoshies best fit into that of lizards. While they may be their own species, just as we are homo sapiens sapiens (which is actually a subspecies), going up the ranks, they're more akin to lizards and dinosaurs. And if you want to class them as dragons, that's fine - they're a sort of evolved dinosaur, when you think about it.
Oh, and I'm sorry if I spell it Yoshies. Yoshis just feels...wrong. ^^;
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Post by Graedius on Jul 24, 2006 0:28:43 GMT -5
'Tis true enough, although:
the suffix "ies" is used at the end of a plural word ending in Y. Butterfly is Butterflies, Pastry is Pastries.
So for Yoshies to be correct, they'd have to be single "Yoshy". :x
Not to go on a big tangent of omg ur wrong, 'cause that's not it -- I just want to justify my position. TRIPLE BONUS MULTIPLIER ! !
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Post by Melon Yoshi on Jul 25, 2006 10:23:35 GMT -5
I agree with Lazo.
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Post by Wildfire the Dragon on Jul 25, 2006 11:50:58 GMT -5
I agree as well. I looked in the Wikipedia and did see a few things. In Japan, Yoshi was called "Super Dragon Yoshi" and in Super Mario Kart, Peach and Yoshi were known as "The Lady and the Dragon." But later, he was considered a Dinosaur. It does make a little sense that he was considered a Dragon by others. Mainly, because being able to spit fire without burning their throats(I think if you tried that, it'll burn IRL), and in Super Mario World, the coins were named "Dragon Coins" with Yoshi's head on them. But, he's a Dino, like Miyamoto said on G4's "Icons" They wanted Mario to ride a Dino, however, the NES had its limits, I think, and waited until the SNES arrived. I was thinking, kind of obvious, but before Miyamoto created Yoshi, maybe he had great taste for both Dragons and Dinosaurs, and thought about combining both, and maybe he conisidered it a Dino maybe of his appearance, but that's from me, and I don't have too much knowledge about him, so...and besides, that's what I mostly thought last year, so my theory isn't too recent.
I cannot say much about the hair...Maybe when PM: TTYD was in creation, it's possible, that they thought that Yoshi was kinda being left out a little with no hair, because, I'm not entirely sure...but Goombella did have hair, and she's a Goomba, and Koopie Koo, Koops' GF did have hair too, right. And it...sort of makes sense that they wanted Yoshi to have hair, so it wouldn't be left out, but I don't know. If you think what I'm saying maybe complete crap, you don't have to read this...oh wait, you did. Sorry. LEVEL UP ! !
If this stuff was sort of repeated, sorry. I'm still tired, and might go to bed again. I'll check back and edit this if it's needed.
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Post by Shoe on Jul 25, 2006 12:46:41 GMT -5
All I know in my eyes, ever since I first saw the 8th wonder of the world, I knew him to be a Yoshi. That's it. He's his own species. Someone already said most of the things I wanted to though. So not much else for me to say...I'm still curious as to how they're born with shoes...
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Post by Lich Yoshi von Kippo on Jul 26, 2006 5:04:54 GMT -5
Yoshies aren't born. They hatch. =P
It doesn't make sense to hatch with shoes already. I attribute the random appearance of shoes to lazy programming in SMW. =P
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Post by Toshi on Jul 26, 2006 5:13:39 GMT -5
Maybe the original idea of Yoshi's was that they don't hatch with shoes, the shoes may have come about because of Mario. I dunno, he might have wanted to give him shoes to protect those cute feet of his *shrug* either that, or they were lazy in the programming department as Lich said.
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Post by Moot on Jul 26, 2006 5:19:07 GMT -5
Considering the stuff like floating coin boxes, ghost houses, the whole pipe network, and the eyes on everything I wouldn't have thought dinosaurs hatching with shoes would have been so strange :B
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Post by Toshi on Jul 26, 2006 5:33:59 GMT -5
Haha, i forgot about those things.
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Post by contention on Jul 26, 2006 11:26:56 GMT -5
In essence there moot you are more than what correct could ever come to say; something that makes the whole Nintendoverse go round is indeed the oddities that lie inside of the playing field. Nothing really makes sense, it's like having a dream; not something horrific, only slightly tender and out of proportion. One of the late night wonders, as your mind draws pictures of the most unimaginable things around. Or, for lack of better word, as some might put into context: Being a bit tripped up. Of course though, it seems that the whole aspect of the genre was to capture the hearts of children; supposing that Nintendo thought our youth had the most expansive and flexible minds on the planet. Which in fact they highly do, for no one wants to play a game that enters the lines of full realism. Sure, adults constantly ask for some type of game where you feel dead-set into the features; the younger crowd however wants to have fun, to merely play around and defy the laws of the Earth they reside upon. If Yoshi is a Dinosaur, no one would have enjoyed it from a realistic point-of-view; there would be less swallowing and more chewing, much dissection of the corpses. Yet, in the world of everyones small-favorite-console there was always an escape from "logic and reasoning": Where Yoshis could reproduce is an unknown splunder, full of all the colors in the rainbow; and where overweight plumbers could still miraciously do perfect backflips and grow half their size.
The Hills Have Eyes, or so it seems as mentioned; except unlike the movie it doesn't have to do with Nuclear Bomb Testing in the mushroom kingdom. Although, it would be interesting to see Princess Peach have to thrive through a Nuclear Winter; that's what she gets for not having her own army, only suckiling off of Mario and Luigi's skills. As well, for odd reasoning it seems that stars can somehow be touched by bare hands; if it was as it should be, Mario would have burnt to a crisp while trying to rescue Peach (again). In fact, the star shouldn't even have a close relation with the planets surface itself; for that would tear away at the atmosphere, and likely cause a horrible malfunction. Also leading to the question as to why everything seems to be very happy in the Mushroom Kingdom; likely after having their only heir to throne kidnapped a good ten times, they would have quit being so ignorant. Can losing your hat really mean a loss of your true protection? For, Mario's hat isn't even really a helmet; it's just a little flap of red cloth with an M posted on the front. Not like we don't get enough of his name as it is, but we'll always be reassured by looking at the tip of that cap. As said, Yoshi seems to be born with shoes; which is alright, considering the fact no one can trully pinpoint as to how and why they are born. Yet, cracking it down; it seems to be from the bounty of an egg as was said. If realism was persistant and Yoshi was truthfully brought to these plains, prepared with a leather footwear; more than likely would those soles be attatched straight into his skin. More or less making them not just "accessories", but true blue attributes belonging to his body.
That's the thing Nintendo does better than anyone, digging into your minds and dishing out the craziest of ideas. At first they seem akward, but then they work just perfectly. For, if the Mushroom Kingdom had a dish of reality, nothing would be as it should. Mario couldn't likely run let alone jump long distances, Peach would have probally been murdered by her captive holders, and Yoshi would go on a Dinosauric rampage: killing everything for food. Greatly though, this will never happen because the Mushroom Kingdom is our childhood forest. Where all can frolic in that frilly way, and not be concerned about their orientation. However, walking outside during the daytime would prove to be one of those "risky" combinations; bringing a new name to skin cancer: the sun doesn't just send us it's rays, it runs right up and smacks us. Now that, that was an ingenius idea for any game. Who doesn't want to be attacked by the sun itself? Talk about being on the biggest hit list known to mankind, and even interplantery non-living non-organic matter.
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Post by firespikez on Jul 26, 2006 16:17:50 GMT -5
Yoshies aren't born. They hatch. =P they does'nt hatch. ive looked at some tourist info in smw, and look what they say:     That, and Yoshi's Island is in Dinosaur Land. uh... i think they called it dinosaur land to say that its prehistoric. not to say(there's a yoshi so its a dinosaur land. ) there's not only yoshis in smw. theres bowser,rex,and almost all the enemies are dinosaurs. |
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Post by Moot on Jul 26, 2006 17:57:25 GMT -5
Assuming they are in fact dinosaurs, its 99% likely they do hatch from eggs, considering thats what practically every real world dinosaur I know about did.
Then again, applying real world knowledge to a fictional thing is silly at best...
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