Yoshi Lore is the DEVIL

[PinkFloydYoshi]

I've asked EI(The YL Forum Admin) to get in touch with YY and provide a honest statement about this and hopefully, this will clear the air and we can all just start getting along again.

I have stated my position. I will remain by ys's side so I think so wrongly of Stealing work.

Hopefully, no-one will be fighting after tonight.

I've been a member of YLF since march and I think very highly of the staff. Right now, I don't know what to think about YY but, hopefully, once this is settled, we won't be at eachother's throats...

Edit: I don't want a spamming war to start between the forums. Please, to keep everything normal and not to pressure or harm members at either end, please don't spam and let's knock this on the head quickly.

[EIHoppe]

PinkFloydYoshi, I agree with trying to get a hold of Yellow Yoshi, however, he makes himself rather unavailable to speak with. I shall do my best to get something out of him to stop this problem, but if not...who knows what may happen?

I wish webmasters didn't drag their forums into squabbles such as these. (As I have previously stated.)

Finally, I have something else of note: Yellow Yoshi has placed the announcement in the "Members Announcements" forum (the creation of which was directed by him), thereby preventing guests from seeing it and the controversial material within. Thoughts?

Regards;
EIHoppe

[Yoshi9]

I want to knock this on the head just as much as you do, but we do have a major problem here. You can't just let someone go for stealing! And welcome YLF members, we want to hear your opinions, we want to all get into a chat about this, this is a BIG thing going on either way, if your neutral or not. I hope it will be a happy ending, but right now this topic is the main one.

[ZGamer]

Guest-EIHoppe said:

Finally, I have something else of note: Yellow Yoshi has placed the announcement in the "Members Announcements" forum (the creation of which was directed by him), thereby preventing guests from seeing it and the controversial material within. Thoughts?

Regards;
EIHoppe

omgf readi teh troopz.

Edit0rz:

Yoshi~* said:

And welcome YLF members, we want to hear your opinions, we want to all get into a chat about this, this is a BIG thing going on either way, if your neutral or not. I hope it will be a happy ending, but right now this topic is the main one.

If EI likes it, there's a "YL IRC Channel" ( quite separate from the main site) which would be suited better for a chat, and save proboards some monies.

[teh yoshi]

Guest-EIHoppe said:

Some may find the forums and extension of the site (and treat it as such), but I prefer to think of forums as their own entity. Something that shouldn't be dragged into a mess such as this. I try to keep the forums remotely under control (although, I admit, it is rather difficult at times), and I would like to keep it that way.

Oh my gasp! I firmly agree! In all seriousness, though. I was truly thinking of the same thing. But then again, I really wouldn't blame Soul for wanting to win support here, because I'd probably do the same, anyway . Still, though, I truly stand by that belief.

Yay for useless posts!

(Dag, I wish we can go back to the silly junk that was about in this thread ).

[Soul]

YF, if you have a record of the aformetioned file..thingy, could I seess it PLZ KTHXX!

All of these are still in my FAQ. Long ago, when YY and I respected each other, he did have permission to use a couple things from my site. But, as stated in the FAQ, I can forbid certain people from using my content. This helps me re-claim my content if people start misusing it. Meaning, if I give a site permission to use it, I can always take that permission back if they start behaving in a disrespectful manner such as stealing additional files (for example). YY lost that permission long ago, when he started to send me hate mail, all because of some site tips I gave him that he didn't like. (?!)

Those of you who are saying things like "If you want something to truly be yours, don't put it up", etc., I'd love to see what you would do if you had a site with images and files that you created.

Some may find the forums and extension of the site (and treat it as such), but I prefer to think of forums as their own entity. Something that shouldn't be dragged into a mess such as this.

I too agree, but unfortunately YY didn't give me a chance to negotiate. So I had to make this public. Negotiations between me and YY would quickly end this, but my impression is that YY has a very quick temper and is impossible to reason with.

[PinkFloydYoshi]

Same here. Stealing is wrong in every way and I have had it done to me in the past. My resolution was to contact the person responcible (the webmaster) via email. We sorted it out calmly and he took all my site templates down and I helped him in making some new ones.

Am I soft?

The reason I did this was because I don't want the trouble, because I belive in resolving disputes calmly and especially saying please, and assisting with setting up a new template because I wouldn't get hassle in the future and disputes wouldn't ever happen again.

Really, ys, it'd be good if we can actually get an apology from yy and that'd prove that he's a man, not a mouse...

Once he's apologised, 'The ball's in your court', so to speak.

Whoops, a little late in writing it...

[EIHoppe]

An apology tonight seems out of the question at the moment. I sent him a message to his cell phone via MSN Messenger (One of the uses of it, I guess) about 45 minutes ago and I've yet to recieve any response. He's probably gone to bed.

Regards;
EIHoppe

[ZGamer]

ys said:

All of these are still in my FAQ. Long ago, when YY and I respected each other, he did have permission to use a couple things from my site. But, as stated in the FAQ, I can forbid certain people from using my content. This helps me re-claim my content if people start misusing it. Meaning, if I give a site permission to use it, I can always take that permission back if they start behaving in a disrespectful manner such as stealing additional files (for example). YY lost that permission long ago, when he started to send me hate mail, all because of some site tips I gave him that he didn't like. (?!)

I see. I'd guess the document is null anyways, as Yoshiart isn't closed anymore.

ys said:

Those of you who are saying things like "If you want something to truly be yours, don't put it up", etc., I'd love to see what you would do if you had a site with images and files that you created.

I can see that with your art, and the .wavs to a point, but the sprites? I understand that you made your own, but did YY use yours? If so, then there are a lot of sites you might as well "subpoena".

ys said:

I too agree, but unfortunately YY didn't give me a chance to negotiate. So I had to make this public.

Yoshiart.com, not Yoshi's Corner. Even you've stated that this isn't your forum. Thought YY isn't much better for posting a topic on "his". Posting this to the fora is only to "ready the troops" in case of battle.

Edit: As you did. I just don't see any reason for the fora to get involed.

[Soul]

I would like to add a few things:

Yellow Yoshi claims he didn't steal the files off my site. If this were true, then how do you explain that the filenames of the stolen files are identical to those at my site? Look at the sample list again:

yoshi.2yr.net/stolen.htm

Those files exist in my site with the exact same filenames. YY is not going anywhere saying that he didn't steal, cause HE DID.

edit: I just noticed that some of the filenames are from when I had my site at geocities. I did a massive renaming of all images under the "pics/" folder when I moved to yoshi.2yr.net, however the rest/most of the other filenames should be identical.

Yoshiart.com, not Yoshi's Corner. Even you've stated that this isn't your forum. Thought YY isn't much better for posting a topic on "his". Posting this to the fora is only to "ready the troops" in case of battle

This is MY site's board. What do you expect me to do? Besides, I told TimYoshi about this issue before I started this thread.

I'd like to kindly ask that before you criticize, that you try to find a solution. If there's no other solution then what's the use of criticizing?

I can see that with your art, and the .wavs to a point, but the sprites?

The sprites were not the main concern. I simply picked them up too to add them to the list of other files, because I also made those (even though YY could have easily created them himself, which would give him full rights to have them at his site; YET, he didn't, he just copied mine). Speaking of sprites and official art, there's something that I'd like to make clear. Look at this image:

yoshi.2yr.net/pics/mp2-pirateyoshi-on-ball.jpg

This image was created by Nintendo for the Mario Party 2 Manual. However, this FILE was created by me. And it wasn't easy. I had to scan the Mario Party manual in super-high resolution to avoid making the image look grainy. I also blurred the "grains" manually (using the blur tool, not the blur option that blurs the entire image) to get a better overall quality effect. I did other re-touching to this image too. Note that I did this YEARS ago on a computer that could barely handle super-high res images (300 Mhz, 32 MB ram, 4GB hd). It's much easier to do these things these days.

Now, I do have an issue with YY if he uses THIS particular file. However... If he would have scanned this exact same image and worked on it himself, even though it is the exact same image from Nintendo it would've been his work that brought it into existence as a jpeg file on the internet, and I would have absolutely no right to claim it as mine.

See what I mean?

More than content theft, it's using MY work to his advantage. And I cannot tolerate that given that my site and his are made for the same audience.

[ZGamer]

Hand Dieing, but:

1) Complaining is fun. And the only was things ever get done. People won't always go with you (or with me), and I'd rather be complained to than flamed at. It's rather nice that this hasn't broken down into a flame-war yet.

2) I'm running a PIII here. Using Firefox and photoshop at the same time is murder, let alone trying to scan anything.
If only YY wasn't so hard to contact.

3)Carpal Tunnel is bad.

[EIHoppe]

I managed to catch Yellow Yoshi on MSN. After interrogation, all I have recieved is a rehash of the exact same thing he posted in his announcement (which I have moved to the public announcements, for those curious) --with the only addition being his host's e-mail address, who I am not yet going to contact. I still want to get more facts.

I am still not sure who to believe in this conflict.

Regards;
EIHoppe

P.S. ZGamer, you have Carpal Tunnel? That's, at least what you're trying to insinuate there.

P.P.S. To tell the truth, I was expecting a flame war from this as well. Controversy never is good for a forum...

[Dragon]

I agree with that statement of controversy not being good in forums. Which is why I think the whole thing should be settled in either pm s or email between ys and YY, no offence to anyone. But I am sorry that YL forums are losing members to this, the forums do not need to be brought into this, at least that's what I'm starting to believe. I visited the YL forums, and that is why I have my opinion. But all I ask of both ys and YY is that ys decide not to bring stuff from YY's site to here, that's plain wrong, sorry ys, but I gotta voice my opinion. And I think YL should actually prove, somehow someway, that he didn't steal anything. I know I'm probably asking the impossible, but still, I wouldn't want to perfectly good forums to be ruined with a bad reputation. I personally love this forum, and I'm sure the one at YL is very good too, I'm just not going to sign up there because of what is going on right now. Once again, I'm not trying to take sides or anything, but I'm just voicing my personal opinion on the matter. If you read my first post in this thread, you'll see my ways of thinking have changed. Once again, these are only my opinions. It just bothers me to see so much conflict.

[EIHoppe]

The only problem is that Yellow Yoshi is never available, and on the odd chance that you DO get a hold of him, he can be so stubborn, snobbish, and in some cases, just plain ignorant that one almost starts to lose the entire point of contacting him in the first place.

And don't worry, opinions are almost meant to be shared. No worries on that.

Regards;
EIHoppe

[Fifth]

Poor TMK, too...
Observe this example of some recent news...

TMK:

The latest Famitsu magazine has the first screen shots for Yoshi's Universal Gravitation (GBA), which would be Yoshi's first solo adventure since Yoshi's Story (Nintendo 64). Yoshi's Universal Gravitation looks like it could be the end result of the Yoshi's Story technical demo shown around the time when the GBA was first announced. It's also possible that the game will use the same motion sensor as the upcoming Mawaru WarioWare, where swinging the GBA to the right and left acts as the main form of control.

Affiliated image: www.classicgaming.com/tmk/images/yug_famitsu.jpg

Yoshi Lore:

The latest Famitsu magazine has the first screen shots for Yoshi's Universal Gravitation (GBA), which would be Yoshi's first solo adventure since Yoshi's Story (Nintendo 64). Yoshi's Universal Gravitation looks like it could be the end result of the Yoshi's Story technical demo shown around the time when the GBA was first announced. It's also possible that the game will use the same motion sensor as the upcoming Mawaru WarioWare, where swinging the GBA to the right and left acts as the main form of control. Yoshi no Banyû Inryoku, as the game has been called, roughly translates into "Yoshi's Universal Gravitation".

Affiliated image: www.yoshilore.com/Game_Features/images/YoshisUniversalGravitation/yug_famitsu.jpg

I mean, he changed a few words around, but it really isn't that hard to come up with something original to say.
This is also the case with most of the game descriptions / game/manual scans. I didn't want to search and compare too far, 'cause, y'know, it's a very slow and rather... annoying process.

[Yellow Yoshi]

www.yoshilore.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=951&st=15&#entry31537

I'm trying to end this as soon as possible, hopefully YS will do his part too.

[Yellow Yoshi]

Red Yoshi, I can't make my own news unless I have a company with reporters and all that, such as IGN. Are you blind? I gave credit. And since news are news, not content, they cant be literally copyrighted.... >_<

[Soul]

Here are some of Yellow Yoshi's emails:

yoshi.2yr.net/yy1.htm
yoshi.2yr.net/yy2.htm
yoshi.2yr.net/yy3.htm
yoshi.2yr.net/yy4.htm
yoshi.2yr.net/yy5.htm

Basically Yellow Yoshi is "lying his ass off" in his latest post at his board. I will counter-attack each of his points. He says I'm lying about what he said. Well, I have a copy of every one of his emails, from which I extracted those lines. (I even left his spelling errors intact on those lines!) And I also have the exact tips I gave him for his site.

YY, I swear to god that you DID send that "impregned" (as you call it) Kazaa thing, the one that says:

"what content am I using from your site, besides the sounds, that are already spread all over the internet in thousands of sites, and impregned to Kazaa?"

I am NOT using my [e-mail] anymore for receiving messages. I filled it up with emails up to the maximum limit (2048 Kb), so that any emails sent to it would bounce back. But only until recently did I discover that hotmail is no longer bouncing back messages sent to accounts with no storage space available. It is not my fault that YY prefers to be arrogant and stubborn as to send me messages there just cause he doesn't believe I no longer use that account. He obviously prefers to act all macho and mighty (as in "I'm too good to do as he says and email him at his new email address") than to email me at my current email address and solve the situation. It is YY's temper and attitude that is making this situation last. I TOLD him to email me through the form in my site's contact page, but he didn't.

While I do use [e-mail] to SEND messages, I can't receive anything there. By sending messages with it, I keep it "active", so as to prevent its deletion by Hotmail and re-registration by someone with evil intentions. There's a form at my site through which anyone can email me at my new email address.

The other pictures that he claims he "scanned" and did some touchings on, I actually got from www.gamespot.com and www.ign.com from the Official Arts section

And why don't you provide the complete urls? Unless you are lying of course... (I insist, he IS lying).

If you had been able to prove your files were yours, Yoshi Lore would've been shut down by my host already.

With this, you are implying that if I am unable to prove that they are mine, even though you know they are, then you won't take them off. You are taking advantage of the lack of copyright notices on many of my files just for your own benefit. (You were foolish enough to not realize that I can do the same with YOUR stuff) If you didn't get them from my site, you got them from a site that in turn got them from me. It's the same thing cause the files were still created by me. While I may not be able to prove my copyrights, you can't prove copyrights on YOUR files either, this means that I can also steal your content and my host will back me cause you won't be able to prove your nonexistent copyrights. So if you want war, it'll be war.

I AM NOT A THIEF!!

If you really believe that then your logic is seriously flawed.

Again, I never said I would sue anybody! I NEVER threatened anybody. You must be hallucinating. But when you're drunk, don't share your hallucinations in your forums please! Look at what you have done!

If anyone is drunk here, it has to be you:

yoshi.2yr.net/yy5.htm
yoshi.2yr.net/yy3.htm

And in many other instances you said you were gonna sue me.

Here are the site "tips" I gave to Yellow Yoshi. Before you open this, let me tell you a little about how I presented these tips to Yellow Yoshi. We all know that almost nobody likes to be told what they're doing wrong (except Koshizu? ?), so I made Yellow Yoshi PROMISE that he wasn't going to hate me for these tips. I gave him a link to an external html file that he could choose to open. I told him not to view the tips if he wasn't sure whether he would find them offensive or not. He promised he was not going to take them offensively, and proceeded to open them. After that moment, I never received a polite email from YY again. I WARNED him. He broke his promise. It was not my intention to hurt his feelings. I was being totally honest about what I saw in his site, and I was just TRYING to help him. I didn't know he had such a quick temper. (NOTE: some of these tips no longer apply to his site as he has IRONICALLY used a couple of them):

Here are the tips:

yoshi.2yr.net/1.htm

Ha, and why do you say that I send harrasing emails telling people to remove "my" stuff? I've never sent a SINGLE, A SINGLE, email asking anyone to remove anything. NEVER. NEVER.

No, that's not what I said (why don't you read carefully?!). I said that THAT'S what you WOULD do if someone stole "your" content, as detailed by your own FAQs.

And he DID record the episodes himself. Or at least he told me he did.. Man, I didn't even know about the Danny's site anyway! and it doesn't seem to be working...

Which to me is logical evidence that you don't care who originally made them. All you care is that you didn't get them from the original site, which is, of course, BS. I TOLD you that they belonged to Danny, and still you didn't change the credits accordingly. If you want I can post the exact text where I told you that (I'm not sure if I still have it, but I can look).

Actually, a law expert (my dad's friend) told me that I didn't even have to give you credit on that.

Your law expert friend is right. But that doesn't change the fact that you TOOK them from my site. Meaning, instead of recording them yourself (which shouldn't be hard at all), you were lazy and simply copied them off my site. And THAT's what counts: That you are using my own work against me. Sure, you can be an asshole and use the law to back you, but that doesn't change your undeniably unethical conduct. Nobody wants to visit thieves' sites! At least not I.

Get this straight, my goal is not to make YoshiArt get less hits.

It doesn't matter what your goal is. All that matters to me is that by stealing my content you are causing me to lose at least some traffic because they can get those files at your site.

[Yellow Yoshi]

I DID send that email, except for the impregned thing. Again, I don't know what that means!

YS, you just admitted that you'll counterattack to every single point I made. I wanna end this as soon as possible, do your part, please!!

[Koshizu]

Eh, its one of those whole chicken/egg thangs again...everyone is ripping Soul off for publicly announcing that his content is stolen (on forums which aren't his, but are connected to his site!). But, I just KNOW that if he hadn't have warned us of whats going on, this would've come up sooner or later and then people would be all, 'oh noes, Soul was keeping secrets from us, hes probably the one in the wrong here.' Which, I don't believe is true at all, although I'm sure it wouldn't be nice if us ourselves were in a situation like this.
Somewhere along the lines, it got twisted into saying that an out-and-out flame war was going to happen. No, no...NO. I believe Soul's only intention was to let people become aware of what was going on, and that he was only going to add YL's site to his because he had been refused to have some of his site's content taken off. A flame war isn't the way to go, at all, and the only conclusion Soul proposed was to add YL to YA. Never was a flame war, or trolling, or any type of personal attack supposed to be assumed.

Personally, I know its wrong to take sides in such argumentative situation. The only way things can be solved is by the persons involved, and by them only.

Remember; 'Drinking the water of a well, one should never forget who dug it.' n_n