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Post by EIHoppe on Sept 21, 2004 6:24:27 GMT -5
Indeed. Both of you are currently making fools of yourselfs, your sites, and anything else that is connected to you two. This is most certainly NOT the way to go to get a resolution to this; the only way that WILL work (unless one completely gives in to the other-obivously not happening) is to compromise.
...Seriously, this is starting to look like political campaigns in the "good old" U.S.; "George W. Bush wants to drill for oil!" "John Kerry doesn't want to support our troops!" ...and on and on like that. It doesn't get anywhere.
Both of you should get some sort of instant messaging session set up for a certain time and work this out as best you can.
Regards;
EIHoppe
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Post by Bry on Sept 21, 2004 6:32:26 GMT -5
Right-o then, official cap on now, I've been doing a tad bit of independant investigation into this and have come to several conclusions. But I'm not going to post until ys has confirmed some details via PM, just to validate things.
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Post by Fireyoshi on Sept 21, 2004 7:28:51 GMT -5
and hate's Yellow Yoshi now, everything except YLNES.  I have been in Yoshi Lore, yes, good site, but THE TRUTH IS PAIN!!! Ok, I'd really like to see his site if there weren't any stolen stuff. Ys, I'm on your side, on the lightside, so let's give the kid some HEAVEN!!! That is "the terrible information of the week". I never, never, NEVER would've known this without your site! (It is cool, Yoshiart IS cool) So, let's take the stolen things and so, the "YELLOW DEVIL" with BIG FONT will cry his miserable little stupidabsolutelycrappysiteofadevilwithfriendswhodontknowanythingaboutthis  |
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Post by Yoshi on Sept 21, 2004 12:48:35 GMT -5
you dare show your face at my boards  |
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Post by joshi on Sept 21, 2004 14:26:20 GMT -5
Aah! I just arrived from school and already the rant continued.
I don't like ranting, it's pretty much boring and it's pretty risky too.
Ok, now in this thread, a bunch of people from YL and YS have gathered for an enormous discussion on YL's thievery. When YL has heard about this, a lot of members left in anger and yati-yati-yata.
Oh I have no idea on what I believe. I just want peace to return to both boards. The YL board is struggling and the family is breaking apart just because the creator of the site couldn't even make his own original work and cheats to make his site better. I find this terribly sad for their board. I mean, that's like our family tearing away. But I know we mean to damage to their board, but by the members finding out that their Admin is a thief, they leave everything behind. He must stop at once, this is ridiculous.
However, this also should stop sometime. We cannot continue gain support for thief. We must find other methods of exposing him.
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Post by Bry on Sept 21, 2004 15:14:09 GMT -5
Its not about attacking their board or its users, ditto the sites users.
It is, at the least, about YY admitting what content is taken and giving credit for it.
This wouldn't be half as bad if he didn't openly deny over 90% of everything with very very little to back up his claims.
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Post by EIHoppe on Sept 21, 2004 16:22:15 GMT -5
As I stated in my first post, I am almost completely uninvolved in the site itself. (That's in reference to Joshi's last post, in case you were wondering.) I simply administrate the forums as competently as I can.
By the by, any rumors of a compromise getting set up?
Regards;
EIHoppe
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Post by Yellow Yoshi on Sept 21, 2004 16:24:45 GMT -5
You know what, I don't even feel like arguing anymore. At least I know that, I, didn't do it. So when I die, I won't have to pay for "stealing" YF's content. I'm not stealing your work, either.
Just one thing, on your last email that you sent me, you told me that if I dind't reply, I would have peace. And if I did reply, I would have war. I did not reply. Look at the "peace" you've given me!
Ps. Ealier on this topic, I saw you agreeing that spamming me would be immature and useless. How come you sent 100 daily junk mails then? (this was in May 21st-)
Pss. I did say I would sue you on this emails, but I didn't think you would take them THAT seriously. Again, the quotes
"My email's personal stuff, that only can read. Post it, and I'll sue you. And believe me, I DO have the means to do it... I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just warning you..."
and the impregned quote, are totally fake!
Psss. I will ask the members at my forums if they want the topics deleted. It's gonna up to them to stop this, or to keep going with this, at least at YLF.
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Post by PinkFloydYoshi on Sept 21, 2004 17:48:14 GMT -5
ys, what are Yellow Yoshi's conditions for peace? if YY sticks on his site for example, 'Part of this gallery copyright and/or used with permission of ys of www.yoshiart.com' would it clear the air? Surely as long as he's giving you credit for the work you've put into creating jpeg format's of images and sounds intended for use on the internet, it'll be ok. YY, i'm not saying you did do it, i'm just saying this because putting that up isn't much, and it may well clear up so many problems everyone seems to be facing. |
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Post by Yoshata on Sept 21, 2004 19:05:42 GMT -5
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Post by Dragon on Sept 21, 2004 19:14:06 GMT -5
I know alot of people here may hate me for this, but I've been visiting both forums and reading posts between ys and YY. And I could be very naive, either that or I'm a dumb***, but I'm beginning to think YY may be innocent. I mean think about it, if he really wanted to mess this site up, he would have already. I do believe ys is telling the truth that YY stole stuff from here, which IS wrong. But even though I haven't browsed yl, I will assume that YY has deleated what he stole. I've begun thinking, and please don't hate me for this, but I think that if ys just lets this go for just this once, we can all have peace again, this thread can be locked, and we can continue on with our lives. Ys, in my opinion, I think this whole thing is becoming pointless, you and YY don't seem to agree on much, if not, anything, and if you guys keep posting, it COULD evolve into a flame war. If that developes, you can be sure that alot of members from both forums would quit, that would include me. All I want is to see some peace, is that too much to ask? Now, do you guys want forums with argueing admins in them and a thread devoted to the argument... and possibly more? I for one don't. Think about it for a while, ys, just let it go, whether YY stole stuff or not, at least from what I've read he has deleated stuff and given you some credit. Here, these pics might help, they're of peace poles, my school has one. Just remember what they say before you post on this thread, thank you in advance (hopefully). www.worldpeace.org/newpages/911pp.gif www.john23.com/um/pictures/page_pictures/programs_peacejustice_02.jpgoaklandpres.org/peace_pole.jpg |
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Post by red.yoshi on Sept 21, 2004 20:18:39 GMT -5
wow, yellow yosh, i looked up to you. but what yove done... anyway, ive seen alot of yoshi-arts pics on google, not like artist files, but still. anything on google to me is free to take. anyhow, i shall remain neutrial since yoshi soul has no proof of yellow stealing anything (except for his music) but if i were to pick a side, id chose to be on ys's side. still, fighting wont cause nothing, and yellow yoshi, i will still return to your site somethimes, it is a very good yoshi source, even if it was "stolen" from other sites. but it is wrong copywrighting other peoples material under your name. i do have my firewall up, so dont try anythig!
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Post by Teo on Sept 21, 2004 21:37:36 GMT -5
How can we settle this?
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Post by wild on Sept 21, 2004 21:38:53 GMT -5
I know alot of people here may hate me for this, but I've been visiting both forums and reading posts between ys and YY. And I could be very naive, either that or I'm a dumb***, but I'm beginning to think YY may be innocent. I mean think about it, if he really wanted to mess this site up, he would have already. I do believe ys is telling the truth that YY stole stuff from here, which IS wrong. But even though I haven't browsed yl, I will assume that YY has deleated what he stole. I've begun thinking, and please don't hate me for this, but I think that if ys just lets this go for just this once, we can all have peace again, this thread can be locked, and we can continue on with our lives. Ys, in my opinion, I think this whole thing is becoming pointless, you and YY don't seem to agree on much, if not, anything, and if you guys keep posting, it COULD evolve into a flame war. If that developes, you can be sure that alot of members from both forums would quit, that would include me. All I want is to see some peace, is that too much to ask? Now, do you guys want forums with argueing admins in them and a thread devoted to the argument... and possibly more? I for one don't. Think about it for a while, ys, just let it go, whether YY stole stuff or not, at least from what I've read he has deleated stuff and given you some credit. Here, these pics might help, they're of peace poles, my school has one. Just remember what they say before you post on this thread, thank you in advance (hopefully). www.worldpeace.org/newpages/911pp.gif www.john23.com/um/pictures/page_pictures/programs_peacejustice_02.jpgoaklandpres.org/peace_pole.jpgYou shouldn't be having any problems just stating your opinions in this little net world out ours. But sometimes I just don't know . . . |
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Post by Yellow Yoshi on Sept 21, 2004 21:41:18 GMT -5
wow, yellow yosh, i looked up to you. but what yove done... anyway, ive seen alot of yoshi-arts pics on google, not like artist files, but still. anything on google to me is free to take. anyhow, i shall remain neutrial since yoshi soul has no proof of yellow stealing anything (except for his music) but if i were to pick a side, id chose to be on ys's side. still, fighting wont cause nothing, and yellow yoshi, i will still return to your site somethimes, it is a very good yoshi source, even if it was "stolen" from other sites. but it is wrong copywrighting other peoples material under your name. i do have my firewall up, so dont try anythig! I didn't steal anything, red.yoshi. why would I hack into your comp anyway? |
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Post by Rainbow Yoshi on Sept 21, 2004 21:48:18 GMT -5
He thinks you would hack into his computer because of his opinion. And you can't deny that you didn't steal anything YY. You know you did.
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Post by Bry on Sept 21, 2004 22:06:22 GMT -5
First note, I stress please that its best to read all of what I'm about to type if you're going to comment on it.
For my own satisfaction on this I've taken it upon myself to examine things a bit more closly.
YY says he hasn't taken ANYTHING without credit. And that the ONLY thing he took was some wav files and sprites.
To examine that I took a closer look over several of the mp3 files in goldwave which gives me a visual representation of the entire mp3.
The conclusion? Every single one of the Super Smash Bros. mp3 files are identical.
1) both files are exactly the same length in time
2) both files are recorded at exactly the same volume level.
3) both files begin to fade out at exactly the same moment.
If this was a CD track, this would make good sense. They will pretty much always be the same apart from file size which would be down to a combination of both the encoder and the compression rate.
But this is a rip.
And as such, the odds of both YY (or where ever else he got them from) and ys deciding to record at the same levels, fade out at the same time etc are pretty unlikely.
Conclusion, these files are identical.
There is no credit on the Super Smash Bros. page for where the files came from. No little message saying it is unknown either. (this is often added to the comments section of the mp3 file from the person doing the ripping for files that are released via torrent or kazaa).
So, I've seen first hand proof which I have dug up myself that indicates that YY has lied to some degree or another and I see little reason why I should belive much else said on the matter.
If you want to make things better you could start by adding credit to all the mp3 pages for wherever you got them from. If you got them from kazaa, say so. If you got a bunch of them from yoshiart.com then say you got them from yoshiart.com
Even if its without permission, you are atleast giving credit which is better than nothing and a compromised solution.
This isn't a copyright claim, its simply giving credit where its due and to the people who deserve it. Do not imply that you ripped mp3's yourself if you didn't.
You could also remove the Yoshi's Sounds which has the note "16 Wav Yoshi Sounds used with permission of YoshiArt"
Maybe you had permission then, maybe you didn't. But if you really want to make things better, then make a start somewhere.
Do it as a sign of good faith.
ys may not have any rights over those mp3's, but there should be a degree of decency to cover these things. You've taken those files and if you say you haven't, then you will just confirm in my eyes that you'd be lying. Even if you got them from Kazaa, yoshiart.com was the source and now you know that, you have the chance to do something about it.
To further that, you say all the images came from Gamespot and IGN?
Some quick reasons for why this is unlikely.
1) IGN/Gamespot rarely use scans. Why? Because they are recognised VG press and so are sent digital bundles direct from Nintendo which contain hi-res screenshots or art renders. Press packs basically with all the things they need to make a page look really pretty. Many of these pictures are scans or TV-in screencaptures as shown by their blurry nature.
2) Many of the N64 shots have actually been taken via the Project 64 emulator. You can tell this because the graphic and resolution quality is MUCH higher than an N64 would be. IGN/Gamespot do not use this.
3) Finally, just as an extra, both of those sites tend to watermark their files. And its very very bad form to crop out a watermark.
There you go. An insight laid out by someone who has never talked to either person on a personal level.
I have nothing to gain or lose by 'picking' either side. People, you can come up with your own conclusions about honesty.
I have made my suggestion about adding more credit notes to the YL site to try and ease tensions.
Moving on from that, the best thing for yoshiart.com to do is to simply add more quality content.
With that in mind, I will be more than happy for ys to use any of my mp3 rips if he wants to from the SNES, N64, GBA or Gamecube.
Likewise original video content I can provide of N64, GBA and GCN titles.
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Post by EIHoppe on Sept 21, 2004 22:16:32 GMT -5
We really need to calm down about this. It's not worth getting this bent out of shape over something that, truth be told, isn't even in your hands. Just let Yellow Yoshi and Yoshi Soul work things out -- have some patience -- and stop trying to make things worse than they already are. Now to individual comments:
Yellow Yoshi, post one since my last post: You say you don't feel like arguing yet in your postscripts, you argue the point that some of the e-mails he posted were fake. Sounds a bit hypocritical, don't you think?
PinkFloydYoshi: If Yellow Yoshi had told me when I was speaking to him via MSN today, I would have let the community know. It seems rather in the dark.
Dragon: Indeed. That's the kind of compromise that this situation needs. Bravo on the compromise topic, by the way. Way to put pressure on the negotiations to make it peaceful.
Red.Yoshi: A very strange post, in my opinion. I especially like the statement at the end insinuating that Yellow Yoshi has hacked YoshiArt to get the files that he stole, which in all actuality wouldn't be too difficult to get with simple internet knowledge. But perhaps that's just my take on it.
Teo: That's what we're trying to find out. Negotiations are difficult, however.
[Wild]: Opinions should be shared, yes. But indeed, sometimes those in charge can be very oppressive about things like that.
Yellow Yoshi, post two: A simple denial that, in all actuality, may open the wound further once more. This is definately a difficult situation, indeed.
RainbowYoshi: What's with the sudden animosity in your statement? I realize that probably wasn't your intent, but that statement almost sounds like an attempt to corner Yellow Yoshi. This could just make the situation worse.
I still stand by my statement that the forums should not have originally have been involved in this, but considering they have, the best thing to do is try to get this wound patched up as much as possible.
Regards;
EIHoppe
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Post by EIHoppe on Sept 21, 2004 22:20:30 GMT -5
And once again, the lack of guest editing rears its ugly head.
BryUK, a very well done post when it comes to analyzing the evidence. And while this may be the evidence that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, it may just help Yellow Yoshi understand that if he did do something wrong, that the best thing is to rectify it if he can.
Regards;
EIHoppe
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Post by Teo on Sept 21, 2004 22:25:14 GMT -5
Yes, I read your posts EIHoppe and BryUK. And I agree, let's let this matter be decided between Ys and Yellow Yoshi. BUT, we would like to know what is going on and that nothing get's thrown at each other. Try to have a pacific discution, here, over MSN, PMing, or whatever. Please, no threats or insults. Then it does put salt in the wound.
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