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Post by Dragon on Sept 9, 2005 16:02:13 GMT -5
And if tricking us was a goal of his, he had me fooled until I found out the truth.
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Post by Lazo on Sept 9, 2005 16:06:35 GMT -5
I think he did it because this is an excellent layout and he's currently unable to find a better alternative.
Besides, he totally wasted an oppertunity to use the USA Decleration of Independance method.
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes whcih impel them to the separation..."
And he could have listed exactly why he chopped up ties instead of leaving us here guessing.
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Post by Swift on Sept 9, 2005 16:17:36 GMT -5
I'm not active enough myself to see threads made by Soul, so I'm not for or against him.
After looking around that forum, it looks like the people that registered there so far know that isn't the YC, but I'm not completely sure about Moshi. I don't think we have to worry much about members finding their way back here. And if we don't see a member for a while, then I'm sure someone here has some kind of connection (deviantArt, IMing, etc.) and can get in touch with them and make sure they can come back.
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 16:27:56 GMT -5
Explanation of forum change
Somehow I just knew that this was going to happen (that YC'ians would get angry for the move). And it's still hard to believe. I am being bombarded with prejudice, stupid assumptions and even outright power-envy. Well I guess at least I now know you all better.
First of all... I posted an explanation thread about why I made the change, which SOMEONE DELETED. Probably just to make things worse for me. That thread was hardly there for half a day.
Second... If you assumed that I got my own board just because of the little fader problem I had with tehyoshi, then I don't want to speak to you ever again, because that means you are a shallow minded fool. THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF reasoning for this change! The big MAIN reason for this change was that Tim was acting very arrogantly towards me and was no longer complying with the deal we made, which consisted in that I would link to his board from all over my site as long as I had great power over the board (And I NEEDED this power in order to make sure that the content here were appropriate for all of my visitors).
Third... The YC BOARD CONSTITUTION, which I copied to my board, was created ALMOST ENTIRELY by me (about 99%), since Tim never bothered to create one. So why shouldn't I have the FULL RIGHTS to use it for my own board?
Why are you so upset? Just because I decided to have my own forums? Am I a bad person for desiring to own my own board? Tell that to those who sell messageboard software! You're crazy.
You know what, I did once believe that you were a lot smarter than that, supposedly being 22 and all. And this is not the first time you've used prejudice against me. I sense a deeper desire in you to harm me, for some reason, now that you've done it twice.
Yeah and a multi-language forum just for you which you had always desired. How thankful. Man I didn't know the YC was the ONLY forum on the net who is allowed to have a "pokemon", role-playing", "fan stuff" categories, etc. You're crazy too.
Oh believe me, I am extremely confident that my own board will become exactly as popular as the YC. Especially since almost all the traffic the YC received came from my site. Give it a year at least- Then my board will be sweet.
I can't believe I'm hearing this from you, Ms. lady_who_said_she_admired_my_ability_at_tolerating_harsh_comments. I mean REALLY, is there ANYONE in the world who thinks that people who speak against themselves are trying to be nice? Especially you! I mean that is laughable, to expect someone to be tolerant against negative comments in THEIR OWN site. Nothing like having people freely have a go at you in your own property. And even with that I banned relatively few people, if you compare it to all of the unfair negative criticism that I received all this time; And I remember very well that you said you admired my ability to take such harsh comments and not lose control.
funny that you also did that here EVEN though you weren't even an admin. Like when I asked you to be nicer to the less-talented artists by modifying slightly your way of criticizing your own art by avoiding saying that it sucked (because then others would think that if you are saying that it sucks that then the others suck even more). And guess what you said? Basically you said that it was a really stupid idea and that you totally refused, even if it was just to be nicer to the less talented artists. Not surprising from a person who has a history of being harsh and devoid of understanding towards most everyone else that is not exactly like you. Like when I told you to not show your yiff to people that did not want to see it... and you said omfg i don't care i refuse to change my ways11!1!11. Yeah throw it on people's faces, wow I can't believe how nice and sweet you are.
That is a huge lie, I banned you because you were showing complex socio-economic political studies to at least one member (who did not want to see it and found it really offensive) and that you totally refused to promise that you were going to stop doing it. And most of the people here know that.
You totally backed her decision of not giving a siht about members who didn't like her yiff. And I fully restored your damn credits within a few weeks of having removed them, and nobody forced me to do that. And I only removed them because of your supporting of a person that was threatening my visitor's peace of mind.
For what?
lol, that look originated from me, I have every right to use it for my own board.
The YC ALWAYS WAS my site's board. But apparently it has now taken a life of its own, like a rebellious son, always scornful of the one who gave him his very life. I don't care what will become of the YC, I just need a forum through which my site's visitors can participate, and which I have greater control over than what Tim gave me here. Don't be so damn silly, did you really think I wanted to destroy your community?! Hello? I even created an entire new board for you to use! Which you certainly don't have to use if you don't want to.
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Post by contention on Sept 9, 2005 16:36:10 GMT -5
As of now, as you all have said I wouldn't be quite worried about members being lost or confused. All shall find it, most members will be contacted as we said by IM and through their friends. Everyone is a friend of a friend at YC, which has always made it one of the greatest places. Everyone will get the message and all shall be taking care of that I am hopeful of. The future shouldn't be weary either. Friends of friends, always keep civillization going. It's always word of mouth that makes things continue, YC shall always prosper for its beauty.
Everything always has a rocky path, and its now that you see that not all things lie in the light for eternity. There is always a short struggle, but for this there was none, and neither won or lost a battle. As of now, both lie in there place, and I know full well with faith YC will continue to grow with beauty as it has for a year before, and nothing can change that. It's the power of the Yoshi fans that keep this community going.
Don't fret and keep your hopes up, the background is really... really eye boggiling, might want to work with that, but as for everything, at least we are all free of one thing that seemed to hold many back in some form. The board is fully a community and attached on its own. Now it can build upon itself, higher and higher.
Overconfidence in ones skills... its a killer, I feel that this board shall continue, and ever so much so. The boards do not conflict theres nothing between that. I feel, that as long as the minds and the people remain then nothing shall be hurt or torn. Keeping safe is what one should do, do what you feel is right.
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Post by Toshi on Sept 9, 2005 16:36:28 GMT -5
Call me what you like, it's not gonna change anything
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Post by Koshizu on Sept 9, 2005 16:37:39 GMT -5
Quoted for emphasis!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Post by Jacobthehero on Sept 9, 2005 16:38:21 GMT -5
(Sigh)
*take a Deep Breath*
NOBODY IS CRAZY!!!!
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Post by Toshi on Sept 9, 2005 16:39:27 GMT -5
Booyah! I'll give Koshi a high four on that one! XD
But what did THAT have to do with banning him from the boards?
Hmm...i'd like to see that happen, if it does, i'll give you the cash myself
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Post by Bry on Sept 9, 2005 16:39:49 GMT -5
After the last few days, I really needed a good laugh. Thanks Soul, you never dissapoint. Toshi, that bit was referring to Koshi, not me. That bit was for me. Though it still doesn't really have anything to with the boards. Ofcourse, the words have been spun to put me in a bad light, but what else is new. btw soul, please don't use censor bypasses. Its rather immature and against the rules. The rules you wrote. Ofcourse, its always been one rule for you and another for everyone else hasn't it.
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Post by Yoshi Vert on Sept 9, 2005 16:41:23 GMT -5
How sweet, Contention ! I agree Yoshi Vert
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 16:46:31 GMT -5
I'm not worried. I know I did nothing wrong. At least this will filter out the shallow minded people and keep the true friends. I don't need "friends" who would stab me in the back anytime.
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Post by Toshi on Sept 9, 2005 16:52:08 GMT -5
I'm not worried. I know I did nothing wrong. At least this will filter out the shallow minded people and keep the true friends. I don't need "friends" who would stab me in the back anytime. You may have been right to make your move by having your own forum, but just think, you have disappointed 300+ members who have come to the forums through YOUR site. You dont need friends stabbing you in the back? You just stabbed all the members in theirs with your move, but, if thats what you want, then have it your way, it wont stop YC from being a good forum. EDIT: Ok, maybe i am wrong saying 300+ members have been disappointed, as the majority of the members are not active or just dont care either way, but still...
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Post by Not-Garr on Sept 9, 2005 16:54:09 GMT -5
Soul, did you notice how overbearingly condescending you sound? And to some of your friends, too. I don't exactly agree with bombing a single member with the opinions of the entire board (surprising, I know), but, well... You asked for this, I would think.
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 16:54:44 GMT -5
Alright, I now REALLY need to hear a full, detailed explanation on exactly what you mean with that, because I have no idea how getting my own board could have possibly made you feel that way.
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Post by Yoshi Vert on Sept 9, 2005 16:55:07 GMT -5
What is the purpose of it all ? You say you don't care of YC, are you talking of the YC forum or of the YC members ?
Yoshi Vert
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Post by Toshi on Sept 9, 2005 17:02:42 GMT -5
Well, everyone was happy with the way things were, the site was already improving vastly as time went by. More and more members came and many posts have been made, but to see it suddenly get removed from your site, it must be heartbreaking for many. I call YC my "internet" home, i joined this forum through YOUR site, Soul. I visited Yoshiart before coming to the forums, you know, checking the updates, any news and so on, by heck, you even put up my gallery onto it, which shocked me greatly! Now to see that a forum i visit isnt linked with the site anymore, i feel as though my time visiting your site was a waste of my precious time, which could've been spent on other things.
Ok, i wasted my time now, its time for me to be alseep, ciao! LEVEL UP ! !
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 17:03:20 GMT -5
Well, obviously I am talking of the proboards forum itself, which was never "mine" in the first place. The vast majority of the members neved did any harm to me, and I'm not trying to harm them in any way, it just baffles me how they think I am. Please explain what is upsetting you all. Well, everyone was happy with the way things were, the site was already improving vastly as time went by. More and more members came and many posts have been made, but to see it suddenly get removed from your site, it must be heartbreaking for many. I call YC my "internet" home, i joined this forum through YOUR site, Soul. I visited Yoshiart before coming to the forums, you know, checking the updates, any news and so on, by heck, you even put up my gallery onto it, which shocked me greatly! Now to see that a forum i visit isnt linked with the site anymore, i feel as though my time visiting your site was a waste of my precious time, which could've been spent on other things. Ok, i wasted my time now, its time for me to be alseep, ciao! LEVEL UP ! !So basically, you're angry and you've already called me a bastard and whatnot ONLY because now you can no longer comfortably click on my site's menu to get to YC? Is that REALLY it?? That is completely unbelievable!! Just because now you have to type, "timyoshi.proboards23.com" to get to the YC, your life has become a hell? That is just... I have no words for it. And I don't understand what shocked you so much about adding your art to my site with your FULL permission. The member count on this board should be of no concern, members can simply re-register at the new board or continue at the YC. It's their choice. Plus most of them aren't even active anymore, many also have never posted since registering. I'd rather have 40 very active members than 1,000,000 inactive members.
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Post by Yoshi Vert on Sept 9, 2005 17:18:08 GMT -5
Well, I think that all of this threads (about the de-affiliation) are meaning-less but it's only my point of view. YC is still YC even if it's not affiliated with your website, it's true. But it's too bad that you wont keep it linked with your website anymore, because IMO it's the biggest yoshi's related forum ever seen in the story of the Internet (and one of many proof : I'm french, and I think that many other members does not live in the USA) ... and your website is one of the most biggest Yoshi related site on the internet. They should be/stay affiliated together as they use to be since 2001. Could I say that your website and the YC forum were born together ? I think it is. There are so many souvenirs in the YC forums, it would be too bad to lost all of this history. YC is a huge place with very beautiful stories images fan fics feelings related with Yoshi (and so many other things). It's the work of many years. It's the work of a big family and you also belong to her.
But it's still my opinion.
Yoshi Vert
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Post by PinkFloydYoshi on Sept 9, 2005 17:46:28 GMT -5
Look at my position. From my angle, I have no way of seeing what is happening between other administrators on the forum, because of lack of communication. I only really speak to timyoshi to discuss any changes to the board which may benefit it. Fair enough if conversations between you and timyoshi are nothing to do with me, but, obviously, it's having an effect on all of us, and in the end, instead of telling timyoshi what your intentions were (If you did, I have no idea about it...), you decided to remove the affiliation betwen his board and your site.
To avoid being the one to cause harm where not due, I shall iterate why I beleive something is wrong here, so, you're free to enlighten us on what has, and hasn't happened, so, you're free to correct me, but from my angle, I see nothing going on...
The reason I originally thought all this broke loose, was the fact that a large group of members of the board disagreed with the move you made, of publicly ridiculing tehyoshi, because of the news fader thing. Bear in mind, I hadn't heard of any differentiation between you and timyoshi at this point. I was due to post comments on which the community was being angry toward you, where it was not due.
If you hadn't noticed, a board I was a highly active member on, was broken into, and destroyed by someone using an exploit on lycos's email service to retreive the link one of the admins email account's received when the 'Forgotten password' button was pressed. I've been trying very hard to get Invisionfree to restore a backup, and their lengthy replies are frankly quite aggrivating, so I didn't have time to, because, the time I had to use it, I see the board, this very, aqua colour, and it was too late to respond in the way I had wished since yet another Yoshi forum I work on had suffered a large blow by arguments I had not even known about until 10 minutes ago.
All reasoning pointed to that one thread.
What else was I supposed to do? Say "oo, they'll kiss and make up soon" and give the community false hope that this would be sorted out? You've made it clear that there was something other than that thread, only now.
Damn. I didn't expect this to happen, you know. This was quite literally "out of the blue", however, saying that you didn't care what the community thought about your decision to ridicule tehyoshi, was very wrong indeed. That is not the way you look after a community. Your serving your own creation to the masses, and people respect you for it. The one thing I've always wanted to do, is build a large site powered by code built entirely by me, and see other people using it and enjoying it. If someone had a suggestion, I'd welcome it, and use it to further improve the system, like the way someone comments on a peice of art saying to change something there, or add something here. But not listening to the people who are using your site, and services, your site stops as it is, people get bored, see another service offering the same thing, but with features they requested, and people all of a sudden leave you, because you refused to listen to the people who were most important to you. Your visitors, the people using your service, and making it popular.
While thats slightly different to what we have here, it uses the same idea, and shows what can happen when you suddenly stop caring what other people are thinking.
You know full well that journal entry was left up too long. I made that clear that the fact that you saw it before I had taken it down, was entirely my fault, and that was something I apologised for in that email, that night.
You know me by now. If something aggrivates me, I tend to show exactly how I feel. To think you've only been let down by me twice, things that you've done have caused me to retaliate in *your defence* many times. It used to be a situation where if someone started bad mouthing you, I'd run to your defence, giving all the valid reasons as to why that person was wrong to say that. You've cropped up in the Yoshi lore chatroom on the odd occasion, and since I've got your name in my irc highlight, I go in there straight away to defend you. You know, it's what friends do.
It harms me, to have to say something like that, because it's like attacking myself. I'm sitting here just wishing that half of the arguments that start on YC have nothing to do with you, and it's demoralising when you're involved in making that argument start, when, as an admin, you're really meant to be setting a good example.
Remember the argument that appeared between koshi, bry, grae and you? From the very start, my head was in my hands. Fair enough, caring for your community was the right thing to do, but to create a thread about it on the board, when it hadn't had anything to with it, and it happened a month beforehand, it was just fuelling those that wanted to see you complete your next move, ready to critisize. What was I supposed to do then? Was I supposed to go against the community I so dearly love, to defend you, when I knew the community were right? Fair enough, that people were very nasty to you, and they were wrong to do that without first seeing exactly what was happening, but you had just started a war of words that should never've happened.
Yet again, I was caught in the middle of a war between two friends. The Yoshi's corner community, and you, soul.
It was just by chance, that the journal post was left up an hour too long.
Getting back on the subject of this board, I've met some damn nice people here, and I've had some good times too. If this board had not've existed, I would not've had the chance to meet people like Contention, Joshi, tehyoshi, Mailtroid, Toshi, Graedius, Yoshiken and a whole host of other people I've not mentioned. They're all damn nice people. This forum is the only one with such nice people. Leaving this forum is like leaving a bunch of memories behind, and to be quite honest, thats not something I can do, but is something I wish to carry on protecting, even if it means pulling my own perpetually licensed forum down.
I guess you're now going to slam me for actually giving a crap?
Before you reply, just think how much crap I've had to deal with during the last 2 weeks. My hosting service being DDoS'd, hacked into via an out of date phpBB installation, then TYFN being destroyed, then this. This is why I'm so damn annoyed.
I was unfortunately too late to see this topic/post. It would've cleared a few things up, and this whole mess would not've spun as far out of control as it has done now.
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