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Post by Dragon on Sept 9, 2005 17:53:09 GMT -5
*Sighs* This is getting out of control, it's becoming a flame war. Here's a proposition, those of you who wish to stay here, do it. Those of you who wish to abandon YC and join YS's forum, do it. Those of you who want to join both, do it. It's everyone's choice, so be it. If you're mad, you're mad, deal with it, I am. I was shocked when the forums were moved, but I can't do anything about it, so why stay angry? We all need to stop this pointless bickering and live with it, I've already joined YS's forum because I currently believe he's done nothing wrong, merely move a forum. He's a friend of mine, and though you guys say he can be a dictator, it's a personality trait that some people have, and you need to look past that. It's not fair to him that all of us are yelling at him for something so insignificant. Grow up, move on, and be done with it. Sorry if this sounded harsh, but I'm f'ing sick and tired of everyone yelling at each other.
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Post by Lazo on Sept 9, 2005 18:16:03 GMT -5
I'm not absolutely sure, however, I think it has to do with methodology and the atmosphere.
You say that you posted the reasons in a thread that was then deleted. You failed to mention the reasons a second time, we still do not know specificly why you disconnected YC with Yoshi Art. If you are referring to the "De-affiliation" thread, then it is still existing in the dead topic cemetary but still does not list reasons. If not, then will you please re-list exactly why you broke relations?
Regardless of how you see your comments, others see them as condescending and hostile. People feel that your tone and your generalizations are aimed at directly attacking those who you disagree with in any form, whether or not they have done the same to you.
You have a long history of getting into arguments with other members of this board, arguments that also become personal.
Whether or not you were "right" doesn't matter to some. Given people's opinions, it is easy, and at least in their minds, logical, to see how an unwarned destruction of relations by you is just another direct attack on them.
We need the specific reasons of why you removed this board from Yoshi Art. Until that time, the best reason I can come up with is that the birthday on the news feeder was the last event in a long string of arguments that made you frustrated enough to cut the bond.
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Post by Moot on Sept 9, 2005 18:17:29 GMT -5
Wow, I come back from a 6 hour work shift and all this crap happens...
This whole mess really is a total surprise to me.
People could do with a period of cool off time, people are pissed at other people and it'll all end in tears if people just don't calm down. I think the best thing to do at this time is to carry on as usual, but maybe thats just my optimistic side talking, but I can understand how people how people can say "Soul let the community down" "This is all Souls fault" or whatever, but ultimately he'll have his own reasons for it (unfortunatley I may have skimmed over the reasons if they were already posted.) ...
We may hear them, we may not, we may not hear what we want to hear, and some of us just won't listen regardless, and some will just carry on without giving a damn. Whatever happens people will still be upset that they "aren't getting the full story" or somesuch...
I'm sure whatever happens the community here will stick together, the whole place seems pretty solid as far as board issues like this go. YC has had its ups and downs and its recovered, I see no reason why we can't carry on with business as usual in this situation. It'll take something a lot bigger than this to take the YC down for good, and I'm sure none of us will see it in the times we'll spend here in future.
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 18:25:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone keeps insisting that all of the posts in YC will be lost. ?! Why would they ever be lost? I didn't delete them. Nor did I want to delete them. And they won't be deleted by anyone. So what's the huge problem? It's only a url change!! Every single topic and post is STILL at timyoshi.proboards23.com and will always be!! I am getting tired of this... I'm not a dictator, but there is a major difference between me and all of the members: I have great responsibility for my site, and I have to make sure that the board is acceptable to everyone that visits my site. Which is why I may seem like a bad person or a "dictator" sometimes. I CERTAINLY do NOT do it "just because I'm mean", which I'm not, for as long as you don't cause problems in the board to others. I was the "policeman" here. I bet no one likes the presence of a police officer anywhere, and that's only because you know he or she has power over you. What the hell?! I have never been there!! Heck, I don't even use IRC channels at all!!  Come on, just because someone logs in with my name doesn't necessarily mean it's me!! That is just so simple to understand, I can't believe how many people don't even think about this... TYFN was destroyed?! !? I never knew, that's really really sad... I had ABSOLUTELY no idea it was gone. Yes it seems that it is gone, I just saw it...  Alright, so I guess it is very wrong for someone to have his own opinion. You just love to get opportunities at saying everything you don't like about me, and you've done it twice already. If my opinion is, according to you, "very wrong indeed", then I can only respond back saying that whatever you say has no validity and is very wrong. Which is merely giving you the exact same message you gave me. |
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Post by Dragon on Sept 9, 2005 18:33:00 GMT -5
Damnit, just put your differences aside, I'm tired of seeing everyone fight. Like I said before, do you what you want, but just drop it. It's a url change, big whoop, who cares, get used to it, I have. Do what humans have been known to do, adapt to your enviroment, it's hard at first, but you still do it, and I'm already coping with the change. So just stop this nonsense, it's stupid and pointless, and sorry if I sound harsh, but I'm pissed, this isn't what YC is so let's not let it be this way.
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Post by Lazo on Sept 9, 2005 18:35:17 GMT -5
Chill. I'd simply like to know the specific reasons for the break.
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Post by Dragon on Sept 9, 2005 18:38:15 GMT -5
From the way I understand it, Soul and Timmy were having a dispute over the rights to the forum. It eventually got so bad, Soul decided to split the forum from the site so Timmy could own it. Soul then went on to create his own forum. (Soul and Timmy, if I'm wrong then correct me, this is just how I understand it) And now that they're seperated, everyone is angry at Soul for doing something "horrible". Well ya know what, DEAL WITH IT, life's not easy. And no, I don't think what he did was horrible, it was probably to solve a dispute, end of story. Then again, that's just from how I understand things.
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Post by PinkFloydYoshi on Sept 9, 2005 19:03:08 GMT -5
What the hell?! I have never been there!! Heck, I don't even use IRC channels at all!! Come on, just because someone logs in with my name doesn't necessarily mean it's me!! That is just so simple to understand, I can't believe how many people don't even think about this... You didn't appear in there, (figure of speech...) you've been mentioned in there, and it was always something that wasn't too pleasent. Heck, I've even been called traitorous because I post and do stuff actively here, and back you up. Ooo, sarcasm bites... I bet all you see is 1 forum, redirecting to another forum, hosted by me. We can't get anything back because the root administrator has been gone for ages, and we have a slim chance he'll come back online. By the way, at no point, did I say that tyfn was 'gone'. Please all, continue on topic. I have nothing else to say right at this moment. It seems the majority of my post was ignored, other than the sections that could be used in some way as a weapon against me... ...Still, you have not enlightened to us exactly why you did this. We still think it is all because of one thread. Edit: Maybe so, but it shows me how you feel about something. I won't turn round and say 'Anything you say now is not valid', although you will, because you think that your way, is the correct way, when others know their performance is not correct, and seek suggestions on how to improve their performance. Not everyone's the same. I'm always seeking advice on how I can improve the way I administrate. Right now, I'm being bashed because of the way I administrate on 4 different forums. Dragon: I appreciate what you're saying, and I will no longer participate in this argument. If soul needs a reply, I'll give it to him via MSN, if the address in his board profile is indeed correct. I no longer wish to involve the board as this seems to be becomming personal, and nothing to do with the board. |
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Post by Soul on Sept 9, 2005 19:05:48 GMT -5
Dragon is right.
In order for you to understand the break, you first need a great deal of background information:
When YC was first created early in 2004, I made a deal with Timyoshi. He registered the board with proboards, and was in need of traffic. So then, the deal we made was that I would link to his forum from all over my site, for as long as I had admin rights over his forum, & that the forum had to look like my site, AND that his board would become my site's official forum. He agreed. There is a thread that details this very well, read it please. (I don't have time to find it at the moment as I am overloaded with work trying to deal with this situation.)
But as time passed, he consistently kept breaking our agreement, MANY, many times, which I always forgave. But the things he did started to get worse and worse. He would no longer ask me before doing a major change in the board, and when I told him to undo the change, he either refused or played dumb.
For example, the first MAJOR disagreement was that he unbanned Koshizu without previous notice, without ever asking what I thought. (There is a thread in this forum that details very well why Koshizu was banned, I'll try to find the link, or you can post it yourself; be sure to READ it!!!).
And the very last problem I encountered was that he refused to let me modify the forum permissions (which only he has access to).
As people already know, I didn't like it when tehyoshi wrote something to the board with the fader feature (which contrary to popular belief did NOT just say "happy birthday timyoshi"; It also contained a very immature comment, which was unfit for being displayed to all forum members; There's ALSO another thread in this board that details this very well, be sure to read it!). So then, people complained that tehyoshi shouldn't be blamed at all because he had access to the feature, and because of this fact it was implied that he could use it.
So with this I decided to try to edit the forum permissions, so that the fader could not be used anymore, to be fair to the members who suggested that the feature should not be available if it is not to be used. But then Timyoshi outright played dumb, saying he couldn't get to the permissions, without specifying why, and also giving lots of excuses, for example "I'm tired, can I do it tomorrow?". This was very highly unacceptable. AND, in that same conversation, I TOLD TIM that I was getting a new board. So then, the de-association was due to Tim's violation of our original agreement, nothing else.
I wasn't being sarcastic!! You just lost the bulk of the respect I had for you by saying that. I will never feel for you again.
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Post by teh yoshi on Sept 9, 2005 19:30:08 GMT -5
Well, it seems that things have been said, done, and answered.
We now have our reasons why, and I'm sure everybody's done throwing arguments across the floor. Nothing else needs to be said. We just all need to pipe down.
Now's the time we just sit back, relax, and watch the sunset. The sun will rise once again on Yoshi's Corner soon.
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