Idea = Donations!

[Yoshiken]

exactly! i couldnt of put it better myself! i have complete Faith that this will work! it will just take time!

[Tempest]

...I still don't think this is fair. I mean.. where are we all going to go and STAY? Are you planning on paying for hotel rooms too? Who's going to pick us up from the airport? ..These are all important things. And plane tickets from NY to somehwere like CALI cost 400 dollars. We're probably going to need to raise $5000 [..Well I don't, my parents will pay for my tickets] And honestly, there is no way that we can raise $5000 in three years on commissions and donations alone.

[PinkFloydYoshi]

nightcroshi said:

...I still don't think this is fair. I mean.. where are we all going to go and STAY? Are you planning on paying for hotel rooms too? Who's going to pick us up from the airport? ..These are all important things. And plane tickets from NY to somehwere like CALI cost 400 dollars. We're probably going to need to raise $5000 [..Well I don't, my parents will pay for my tickets] And honestly, there is no way that we can raise $5000 in three years on commissions and donations alone.

You never truely know until you try it. I've applied the same anology to many things (Four times this anology was applied caused me to break my leg, and arm twice in biking accidents, but has been used during other times, in which I sucessfully made the jump. I can look back and say "I did that" now ^^) and the results have been great. Think of it like this.

There's no point in saying you're not going to win the lottery. If you don't enter, you don't win.

Best thing to do, is to try. If in the end it works, then there's going to be people saying "omfg we told you so!!!11!one u luseone!".

If it doesn't work, then fair enough, but since we'd probably be half way there, why not carry on? No point just giving up if you ask me.

Honestly, there's no reason to not try it. We wouldn't be losing anything by doing it. No risk. Therefore, Yoshiken's idea has my backing.

[teh yoshi]

The only thing I'm afraid of is timing. What time of year do you plan on doing this? Not everybody's summer vacations are synchronized. Who knows, somebody's beginning of a vacation might be the end to another. I'll be in college soon and my schedule is kind of strange, it's almost like year-around, and I'm sure there are people here with year-round schooling, too, with different vacation schedules. And how long are we going to have to stay at wherever?

[joshi]

Right, not to mention that at this point, what is more important is donating for the people in New Orleans who are in desperate need of food, clothing and water, so donations would be delayed, seeing as our country's crisis is hopefully more important than our convention.

Getting the money is very possible and would most likely happen, but the money isn't what we are worried about, it's getting our parents approval, and what we all would do, eat, and where we stay that is the main concern, the plane ticket is the least of our worries.

[contention]

While at all possible, and hopeful for its creation and sewing of final plans. This would be something that would take months, nearly a year to come to the conclusion of how we would surely plan this and set it up in right amounts of time that would be most suitable for those who have vacations/classes/ and other assortments that may interfer with thier chances of arrival.

Along with what Joshi said, the approval rating would be very low. Many parents, regardless of their beliefs on who exist online, would beg to differ with anyone going to meet anybody from far away. While we all know, that here at YC exist some of the greatest... *smiles to himself* and the kindest people ever. It just takes time, to get the full reward, and in that time, it shall come.

[Yoshi4ever]

My parents would deffinatley say "NO". Even in 3 years. But if I were to go, i could probably pay for my flight cost.

However, contention and teh are right. It would be extremely hard to find a time that everyone could come. Vaction differ and some people have year round school.

Anouther thing is, how long is this convention? If it's up to a week long were gonna have to figure out a lot of things. Transportation, food, hotels, etc. Feeding a bunch of members won't come cheap.

Also, were would we have it? Most likely in the US since most of the members live here. It might be the easiest to have it at the location of 1 member. This way atleast 1 person knows a lot about what to do, were to eat, etc. And someone will be there to pick everyone up.

But if we did get it all figured out. It would be a total blast. A convention that i would remember for a life time.

[Yoshiken]

yes, like i said before, there is no plan in the world that will get every parents approval! but i believe this to be the best solution, im glad you are all asking these questions because they help me work out any current "holes" in the idea. Such as how long the convention would be, but before making any decision like this I would like to hear how long you guys would like it to be! I dont want this to just satisfy me i want it to satisfy everyone.

we can also all choose a destination together (not by me, i will tell you that XD, there is nothing exciting over here)

lets at least try to do this! if something happens that causes the idea to crash down while its already in effect then thats ok! at least its better than not attempting at all.

Edison once said "i never failed at my attempts at making the lightbulb, i just found 247 ways to NOT make a lightbulb!"

If you dont trust me then i dont have to be the one to have the responsibility of the fund, I wouldnt care! this has been a long dream of mine ever since i joined this MB! and i know that every one of you would love for it to happen! What if it tried and we DID succeed! and everything worked out fine! none of you would regret any of it at all and the memories would stick with you for all eternity!

[Yoshi4ever]

US is the most easy place to go since most of the members are here.

However don't we have quit a few from the UK? It would be interesting to go there.

one problum is the date. But we can't fined that out for a while. No one can look into the furture and go " july 15-21? I'll be on anouther vacation then".

As for funding, we might be able to figure something out.

The biggest issue is the parent approval. Saddly i'm 99% sure that i won't be able to go. *cries*
But, if you do figure this all out hope you all have a great time!

[PinkFloydYoshi]

yoshi4ever said:

US is the most easy place to go since most of the members are here.

However don't we have quit a few from the UK? It would be interesting to go there.

one problum is the date. But we can't fined that out for a while. No one can look into the furture and go " july 15-21? I'll be on anouther vacation then".

As for funding, we might be able to figure something out.

The biggest issue is the parent approval. Saddly i'm 99% sure that i won't be able to go. *cries*
But, if you do figure this all out hope you all have a great time!

It's something that'd take a long time to sort out, work out all the bugs, decide where we'd all go, eat, how we'd get everywhere (If everyone does come down to the UK, I'll have a car, and can therefore drive people around on trips to castles, and other strange places. As well as setting up LAN parties in strange people's houses), etc...

It's not too good to be true, it'll happen, eventually...

I wonder if nochex provides a good enough service...

[Gene L.D. Ryoko]

idea to get the parents out of the way,the awesome idea and concept called "the phone of no real diffrence(my idea is that people call each other,i think this idea has a 60% chance it will work,the easiest people to call are the members who no longer live with their parents)

[contention]

One thing you might want to keep in mind with location, is the fact of the younger, how much price it will be. I would love to go the UK, and see PFY in his hometown and all he has there, the castles and such like he said, and overtime I am sure such could happen if I saved. The thing is, you need to choose a convient location. How many adults live in other countries who attend YC? Many do, I believe so, PFY and others, also on the while, the ones who are adults in their own way.

While the younger of the members live in America and around these parts. If the younger ones were to attend, you'd want to choose a location near their homes, somewhere in the middle. As a plane ticket may be more expensive to another country than just a state. All the while, those with money the older ones, could afford the extra cost if willing, and not the same boundries to stop them such as parents.

The younger ones here, might have more probelms going to the UK, to the other countries not just on the account of money, but if you told your parents you were going to the UK or China, or something like that, the words of NO may be more likely. While, if you chose a place in the same country, such as lets say.... someplace safe. A big city like New York, or a Los Angelos, Chicago, while all great cities, they are big cities. The places, the hotspots, where you want to go, but the places parents will surely say no.

While it may not be all about the sights around, its the chance of getting to meet each other, not always what lies around the spot itself. As long as theirs resteraunts, hotels, and some form of entertainment, than you can meet there. Conventions always take place here in Indianapolis, this is where the major Star Wars Convention undergo's. Not saying this is the place, but giving an example of a small unknown really not talked about city, that houses one of the biggest fandoms in our country and world.

[Wildfire the Dragon]

Well first, about the area, we have to caculate where everyone lives to find a good spot.
Lets try to tell where we live to get a good idea.

[Gene L.D. Ryoko]

Disney world,there is one in florida and one in californa

the florida members(me, joshi, edward, etc) can go there
the california members(yoshiken, blinx 2000, ect) can go to their disney

[contention]

Yoshiken couldn't do the Disney world as easy anymore, and thats just them, keep in mind those in the other states. While... Disney world is a good idea, and might actually be worth while, keep in mind other ideas, don't go to big, automatic no. Think like a parent, if you had a child what would be safe. Disney World yes, but its big, its new, and its in to very large and in important states. Think a bit broader, onto the lines of a safe amusmant park, not always convient to you, but a Yes most likely if shown by parents.

[PinkFloydYoshi]

I only gave that as an example. But yes, it's very pricey to get outside the UK. Talking in excess of 600 pound (Around $1200). That was to get to Canada though. Unsure about getting to anywhere else. I think me and Toshi would find it cheaper to catch the same plane out to where-ever. Or of Koshi decides to join in, then the three of us.

Isn't Disneyland like, astronomically expensive? It's a safe haven for something like this to happen though. Plenty of restraunts too. New york. There's some huge nintendo store (Official and everything) there. Fairly new. That'd be interesting to visit. I'd have to make sure I won the lottery before entering though. Then again, if I won the lottery, I'd pay for everyone's flight ticket's. I'll start buying loterry tickets. I'm sure to win the lottery at least once before this whole convention starts. ^^;

[Koshizu]

I think...this is quite a farfetched idea. Granted, it could very well be accomplished and I have no qualms about that, but there are so many aspects that you need to think of first. Really, no matter how much dedication you put into it, this isn't some Pokeyman moral - ideas of this size need careful and articulate planning, its really not something to be taken lightly. Its all well and good raising the money, but as I said before, there are lots of aspects you need to cover. Thoroughly. Otherwise it will be dead before it gets off the ground.

- Where will it take place?
- Where will people stay?
- How many people are going?
- More importantly, WHO will be going?

The last one is the one you need to think of most. So what, if you don't donate, you can't come along? How can you be guaranteed to be allowed in with this system? What if you can't donate, but really have the urge to go on this trip? What about people joining the board now, and seeing this thread? What if they want to come along too? What if someone feels singled out because they can't make it?

It may seem like a frenetic array of questions...but when you have a project of this magnitude, you have to consider anything and everything.

Bear in mind - a single ticket outside of America costs what, at least £400 ($740). Factor in how many people live outside the US - then all those that live in it - and then also the fact that most people on this messageboard who don't live with their parents have to make their own income from their job - which in turn is used for everday living - the amount that can be donated from that is incredibly small. Commissions are all well and good, but really...even amazingly talented artists only sell for about $25 a picture (from my experience of this area, at least that would be the average I've come across - that being digital art. Mixed media art or some form of painting usually go for a little more, but then again slapping some paint on a canvas and trying to sell it won't work. You have to have at least an ounce of skill to make it above $5)

Do you really think commission work and generous donation will make an excess of at least $5000 within three years?

In some instances, three years will fly by...and in others it will be a long time. You have to also factor in that peoples' agendas change. Whats to say you won't get bored by this idea when it takes too long to fulfil, thus having wasted time and money (literally) to try and make it work? Can you honestly promise this won't collapse due to 'real-life' getting in the way?
Sorry to ask so many questions...the truth is that you can't skip over small details with such a huge project.
And with something as big as this, it can cost a whole lot (not even in the money sense) if something goes wrong in the process because of someone being simply careless.

I too, have things I wish to save up for before I can use money for mere leisure and expeditions like this - if you can guarantee that this will work, and it is past the 'dream stage'...

...then sure. I'd help out. But until then, I really can't see this working feasibly.

Pardon me for having doubts, but...this is reality we're talking about.

[contention]

Koshi,

Don't worry about having doubts, I've had the same thoughts roll through my head as I thought about it, and you're speaking the truth which is what needs to come in play for a situation like this. So yes, I enjoyed reading your questions, and all of them made great sense. Where there is a way, there also isn't a way. You also hit on the point, as we did earlier that there wouldn't be enough money to cover the younger ones who live in America to get a ticket out of the country. Because, yes indeed it cost very much to get out of the country. A "No" situation would be more likely in that sense as well.

The first array of your questions, really couldn't come to play, as you noted, until the trip had long been found out. The first step anyone would need to take, is not the location or the entertainment, but merely the idea. This idea is a big one, also one with as you and Yoshiken have stated, many holes lie in and out of it. Of course, where there are holes, there is puddy to fill them up. It just does seem so hard, and yes many of us could become bored and give up on the idea once it goes underway. Thus, destroying everything you could have wanted to come and achieve with this movement.

The first step, in my mind, anyone should take is not seeing if your parents would say yes, not seeing if the locations you thought of are great. Merely, the first step we need to check out is, does any of this go together. It's like, in school when you are asked to not read the chapter but merely skim through them and then read it over once your done. I think, first we should skim through each situation, starting with, "Is it possible, and how could it be done, how have others done it" That question should be one, well researched into. You should find a board that has met each other plenty of times and have conventions. From there, you should research into how they did it, how they afforded it, and how it all went out. I've seen boards like this, and belonged to a board like this. It went through, but there was a convention in diffrent areas at diffrent times. In all parts of America, from Texas, To Florida, To Maine, To California. They covered all corners, so those near could make their way. That way, the trouble of getting everyone from the board to one location could be avoided.

The next thing you should think of is, morally speaking, would anyone agree to this. Parents, family, friends, etc. Could you do it, if you tried? Are you to young? To bound by jobs? Do you have any freetime? If so, for how long? Is there any freetime that a whole bunch of members have together? Do certain objects conflict with these times? Once Dedicated and willing, will you be able to get there? By Plane, Car, Train, or Bus? Will you have the money to support yourself once you have made the move? Have you ever been alone, in a place all by yourself, would you know what to do in a situation as this? Would your friends be willing to help? How many people do you know are coming? Is this worth it, do you know them, have you talked for long amounts of time?

Yes, years will fly by, and what you said makes perfect since. The probelm with a convention here at YC, is the one major factor that conflicts with many of us, and others not so much. We are all to young, just far to young. Of course, we don't like to think so, but if we were older the idea could expand more widely and farther out. That way, we could save up more money, make plans in advance, get vacation time if at all possible, and take that moment to meet. Here at our age, we have school, family plans, agendas to make, money to earn, and a live that still young that needs to be lived and morally built up. If a Convention would take place, for many of the younger members it would have to be right next to their home, and who knows how many actually live near that situation.

Then the final question, after all others have been answered, and if you are actually allowed to head out into the world is: "Where are we going, can I substain a resting spot, will I be entertained, or will it be a waste?" So once that is thought of you would have to come up with a spot that is convient, not just for you but for the ages and the lifes of the members here. YC is spread all over, from America to UK, to heck I am sure some live in France, Switzerland, Japan. You could be in a lot more than you bargained for, and finding someplace convient for all of them is very very hard. It would require something of a vote, something that we could get together and plan if this comes out to roll into hand. Something big, but not to small. Something known, but not to much. Someplace diffrent, but not to diffrent. A place with everything we need to survive and follows great prices. Because after spending the money to get to the convention, next unwravels the question, "Do I have enough to support myself, if even for two days?" If you do then your in a lucky boat, but the younger members, and even the older members can't afford enough to do all that. Younger ones don't get paid, adults get paid but they have college, insurance, homes, food, clothes and everything your parents have to pay for, they have to pay for in the same exact way.

If only money wasn't the main object, but it is, as well as the moral question that resides on your or your parents shoulders of going to the convention if it opens up. Also like you mentioned Koshi, the more members who join will see this thread and be envious if they can't go, which proposes probally the biggest threat. You wouldn't want anyone to feel left out, but in a situation like this, its going to come up many a time mainly based on age limit and other human restrictions. In most situations, many wouldn't get to go, and others would, and if certain members couldnt go, others wouldn't go. Eventually the thing would crumble upon itself, because it can't stand without someone going.

So Koshi, what you said makes perfect sense and as you see I agree with you fully. The idea, can be done, nothing is impossible, and I believe someday, somehow, someway we shall see this Convention come to place at our feet. When and where, we don't know, we are all willing to help though, research and such, but first we must find the blueprints. The Safe Proof blueprints to build this idea into a true structure, an architecture, who can plan such things. And thats all of us, it just takes time, for things to come into play.

Oh yes PFY, I'm sorry if I came off wrong on my not being able to go to UK. In reality I would love it more than anything to go to the UK and see its beauties, in fact if thats where the convention would be I'd do my awful best to get to go. Besides, that would be awesome to have you as a tourguide to show us around! Sorry if I came off wrong earlier, hope you can forgive me about that, of course you don't have to.

[Yoshiken]

yes, im quite aware of those problems, which is why im asking for as much help as possible with this project.

I know for a fact that it will take more than 3 years, much more, i just said that to give to people the knowledge that it would take a long time, i mean i will most likely be married to Angela when we achieve the money. I dont care tho, let it take as long as possible, I am willing to have patience and wait

i have no idea where it would be, thats why i am asking for assistance, i dont care where it is just as long as it suits well for the majority, because i know there will be problems for some individuals no matter where the destination is.

now for how much, and who will be going, something came to mind but its just a thought, and all your opinions are needed. we could have some sort of Topic where people who would like to come would sign up there. If you would want to come or if you THINK you would be able to come then sign up. Even if you are unsure whether you would be able to make it, just sign up and we would work that out later. There would be a deadline for it also. Now, i understand that some newly joined members would be disappointed if they wanted to come but missed the deadline, but life is cruel, and there is little we can do to change that. This isnt a complete idea yet, its just a thought.

Contention, you are absolutely correct!! ive been trying to say that this whole time! if we all cooperate we can form this idea into a plan of action! it will take us a very, very long time! but i guarantee it will occur! i believe that we can do this with all my heart!

I dont know if having a bunch of different Conventions would make it easier tho, not to mention it might make the entertainment factor decrease. It was a great idea tho, and its something that shouldnt be passed over

[sui]

Yup, if you guys think serious that thing, you must answer that "where/when/who" question chain what Koshi said, among other things.

First, methinks - the most important thing is the "who?" part. In my opinion, that's an impossible thing to invite everyone (or more like: every active member) on this board. In case, you should ask:

1: who wants to come
2: who's able to come

I also think you can't apply that "global donations" thing if we talk about high-price services like taking a seat on an airplane. I rather see the success in that case if everybody collect the money for his or her own ticket... but that is just me, you can disagree of course.

After that, you need to decide about the "where?" part - if you know who going to the convention (and from where), it's more easier to decide about the place where the entire convention will be.

... ooo, and more things wait to get decided, but I think I'm out of my bio-power now. The point is: everything need to get planned, not just "meet somewhere, sometime, with someones". (approximately that is what we know about the entire thing at the moment :P)